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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Vincent Legoll <vincent.legoll@gmail.com>
Cc: guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: guix system: error: service 'ssh-daemon' requires 'networking', which is undefined
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:54:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zipbm9r6.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEwRq=romQ0hR5Mu6Dx3bmvzjcSrv8eO26++cbEHSnvdg-VcQQ@mail.gmail.com> (Vincent Legoll's message of "Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:48:28 +0200")

Vincent Legoll <vincent.legoll@gmail.com> skribis:

>> From a regular user's point of view, this still misses the point,
>> which I originally attempted to make. I suggest an error message like
>> this:
>>
>> 'ssh-daemon' requires 'networking', try adding
>> 'static-networking-service' or 'dhcp-client-service' to system
>> services
>>
>> Or something like that. The point is, make it clear that "requires
>> networking" means adding at least one service to the operating
>> system's services and make at least one suggestion. Definitely a step
>> forward to user friendliness.
>
> I concur, from a simple end-user, sometimes guix error messages are
> at best cryptic. It looks like the messages are expecting the user to be
> an experienced scheme coder. If guix wants to get more users, that
> experience should be enhanced.
>
> Backtraces are great for debugging, not as user interface.

Examples please!  :-)

I think we agree on the goal.  Guix is rarely supposed to show
backtraces; when it does, it may be a bug that needs to be reported and
fixed.  The fresh eye of new users is invaluable in pinpointing such
problems!

Thanks,
Ludo’.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-21 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-15 12:39 guix system: error: service 'ssh-daemon' requires 'networking', which is undefined David Craven
2016-07-15 12:58 ` Jan Synáček
2016-07-15 14:27   ` Vincent Legoll
2016-07-17  6:50     ` Jan Synáček
2016-07-15 16:50 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-07-15 18:04   ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2016-07-19 12:43     ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-07-21  6:30       ` Jan Synáček
2016-07-21  8:48         ` Vincent Legoll
2016-07-21 12:54           ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2016-07-21 13:00         ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-07-21 13:35           ` Vincent Legoll
2016-07-21 13:57             ` Jan Synáček
2016-07-21 14:39               ` Thompson, David
2016-07-21 15:35                 ` Andy Wingo
2016-07-21 16:10                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-07-21 13:36           ` Jan Synáček
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-07-15 12:24 Jan Synáček
2016-07-15 15:05 ` Alex Kost

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