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From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2018 16:23:30 +0200
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Marius Bakke writes:

> As discussed at FOSDEM, it is clear that The Shepherd does not have what
> it takes to boot a modern Linux system.

Damn, I knew I should have been at FOSDEM.  While I'm pretty happy with
the Shepherd and my emacs-exwm, it would be a pity if users who truly
depend on more modernness couldn't run GuixSD.  I just hope this will be
optional?!

Sorry to sound so harsh, really I appreciate your enourmous effort here!

On a more practical note -- I had a minor breakthrough with Mes
yesterday, mes+mescc now builds mes.c in 21min.  This means that we may
be able to build tcc in ~3.5h.  Not great, but entering feasible
territory.

My happiness just got a dent when reading this:

> +    (native-inputs
> +     `(("docbook-xml" ,docbook-xml)
> +       ("docbook-xsl" ,docbook-xsl)
> +       ("gettext" ,gettext-minimal)
> +       ("gperf" ,gperf)
> +       ("lxml" ,python-lxml)
> +       ("m4" ,m4)
> +       ("pkg-config" ,pkg-config)
> +       ("xsltproc" ,libxslt)))
> +    (inputs
> +     `(("acl" ,acl)
> +       ("audit" ,audit)
> +       ("bash" ,bash)
> +       ("bzip2" ,bzip2)
> +       ("coreutils" ,coreutils)
> +       ("cryptsetup" ,cryptsetup)
> +       ("curl" ,curl)
> +       ("dbus" ,dbus)
> +       ;; TODO: Add gnu-efi for bootloader functionality.
> +       ("elfutils" ,elfutils)
> +       ("glib" ,glib)
> +       ("glibc" ,glibc)
> +       ("gnutls" ,gnutls)
> +       ("kbd" ,kbd)
> +       ("kmod" ,kmod)
> +       ("libcap" ,libcap)
> +       ("libgcrypt" ,libgcrypt)
> +       ("libidn2" ,libidn2)
> +       ("libmicrohttpd" ,libmicrohttpd)
> +       ("libseccomp" ,libseccomp)
> +       ("libxkbcommon" ,libxkbcommon)
> +       ("linux-pam" ,linux-pam)
> +       ("lz4" ,lz4)
> +       ("pcre2" ,pcre2)
> +       ("python" ,python)
> +       ("qrencode" ,qrencode)
> +       ("util-linux" ,util-linux)
> +       ("xz" ,xz)
> +       ("zlib" ,zlib)))

I have good hopes of bootstrapping Guile but...won't we be creating
a non-bootstrappable system here?  Does this mean that modern Linux
systems are essentially non-bootstrappable?  Has this been discussed?

Greetings,
janneke

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