From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Stateful system directories
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:27:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhhs29n5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191020090356.GA2275@E5400> (Efraim Flashner's message of "Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:03:56 +0300")
Howdy!
Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> skribis:
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 11:08:57PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> Hello Efraim,
>>
>> Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> skribis:
>>
>> > Ignoring the directories in users' home directories, /var/lib/gdm has
>> > been a source of pain on GNOME upgrades, and we still have some problems
>> > with /var/cache/fontconfig and I believe there is something else with
>> > permissions if you switch between ntp and openntpd. I actually have the
>> > following snippet in my OS-config:
>> >
>> > ;; This directory shouldn't exist
>> > (file-system
>> > (device "none")
>> > (mount-point "/var/cache/fontconfig")
>> > (type "tmpfs")
>> > (flags '(read-only))
>> > (check? #f))
>>
>> I think that would work, or we could even make it a writable tmpfs?
>
> I got angry with it and wanted to see if I could generate any error
> messages. :) So far nothing. Of course there isn't a compelling reason
> to really make it read-only if we recreate it each time, and it should
> cut down on bugs for other directories.
Yup, let’s do that.
>> (Somehow, I do have /var/cache/fontconfig, but never hard any problems
>> with it. It hasn’t been written to in months, and it’s only writable by
>> root anyway. Does that mean that people run into problem when they run
>> GUIs as root?)
>
> I have it too, not sure from what. I'm guessing some of the packages
> which have fontconfig as an input get a dbus-something to create the
> directory if it's missing.
Heh, these dbus things doing stuff behind our back. :-)
>> > While we work on fixing these does it make sense to modify some of these
>> > services to unconditionally recreate their home directories on
>> > boot/activation?
>>
>> Like /var/lib/gdm? Maybe. Or maybe ‘gdm-service-type’ could extend
>> ‘file-system-service-type’ with a tmpfs for /var/lib/gdm?
>>
>
> Sounds like a good idea. Would that also cause the directory to be
> removed if gdm is removed? It should create a tmpfs and mount it over an
> existing /var/lib/gdm, right?
Yes. So the directory won’t be removed if gdm is removed, but that’s
fine, it’ll just be an empty directory sitting there.
>> I suppose that might increase startup time a bit since it’d be
>> rebuilding its cache every time. Perhaps we’d also lose bits of state,
>> no?
>
> The increase in startup time should be negligible, and according to
> rekado, who seems to run into GDM issues the most, removing /var/lib/gdm
> is one of the first steps when upgrading gnome or debugging gdm issues.
Yeah, it’s a tradeoff, but we should try it on the bare metal to get a
feel. There’s quite a bit of data in there that we’d be recreating at
each boot:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ sudo ls -l /var/lib/gdm/.cache
totalo 16
drwxr-xr-x 2 gdm gdm 4096 Sep 19 08:45 fontconfig
drwxr-xr-x 3 gdm gdm 4096 Apr 11 2019 ibus
drwx------ 2 gdm gdm 4096 Apr 1 2019 libgweather
drwxr-xr-x 97 gdm gdm 4096 Sep 19 08:45 mesa_shader_cache
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
If you give it a spin, let us know how it goes!
Ludo’.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-22 13:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-18 7:35 Stateful system directories Efraim Flashner
2019-10-18 10:05 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-10-18 11:01 ` P
2019-10-18 17:11 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-19 10:11 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-10-18 14:17 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-19 21:08 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-20 9:03 ` Efraim Flashner
2019-10-22 13:27 ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2019-10-22 19:57 ` Jack Hill
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