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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1665673480; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Rf5lYuB1wVC2pVrVd1Z6mN5Dk5kz6ctBY88U60peGg0=; b=juCT6MBPnovPIehAGA94YFjequT3/oDzoGqTNvukZwj9T1x4ZduZu2DaK7jMxxd5Qmi1Su 1mCBfpMIoVv1Ynf1V6xxpo4/YwcKEiguoi7OI2sUplQXRu4LIj7uAu7klC/8IlhMmjpbzt +3KV99iy9ydr/QlzBqovghpqf5MC61MINzWrgr+xOK+hRmW78w+OxxzOTdumd+TReh/+G4 dj+ypHN1vVQ/7Pz+U1xs/gm+3efhKwQMz+W9cvkR3MutAL77inuNGbQUfrchfox+CUOR8R xG4kpLNTZv4SFOyd0aupV2o+gAkHwWTdmwhJhosUc5AEOn0zUjLx7y8nCWi4CQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1665673480; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=njhj1DCHivp4rAalZZiGoqSHtL4Thk0Sjb6mAAiCgQr2ww4pM1zBsrrelohQn16t8fsQMg NaIyH/NfGKqh0l8O4mddDXTEWU+43Fs3sH8SzSRvva83lAynIJloPIKxxE7gsWIOEvtYiA QdidMPLygILncjBuxbhc7IB3s5oblcNMXBSFCOeLqAb0SKL1O86jpX5lqX6epkKMs+UXvy hLqDNFLV0qXAP0Yk2hEanP9RwsDH7vHLkcOPIDlijNVj1E+Dp/xPspcln94HuYtG04ar/k R4sW1s+Njw3P2TQFD4g4cHzwTHd0DQf9o/lizcS2if4zyZpLnpbrgxarDdkrlQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=airmail.cc header.s=mail header.b=hyUq4+0r; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.70 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=airmail.cc header.s=mail header.b=hyUq4+0r; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 33AA7921D X-Spam-Score: -3.70 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: erPDhom4pIX6 indieterminacy writes: > Sorry if this comes off as facetious (because this is an interesting > proposal) but hasnt Make cornered a lot of these usecases well enough? It has covered some of these usecases to a certain degree, but in my opinion there's a lot of room for improvement. As an example, setting up make to run a particular command in a particular environment (e.g., with certain packages available) is (imo) quite annoying. It would be possible to shell out to guix from within a makefile, but at that point, it's (imo) way cleaner if this can be handled by guix. Furthermore, doing this ckind of configuration in a makefile means that the same or very similar make commands would need to be put in many projects' makefiles, this could be implemented a lot cleaner within guix.