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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=MfLUti2Y; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1678976204; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=fzwuGbZdbPVvfxpojIB8iA8p5CK7VmW/CDUJSJqpVh5hUuIy8HWdVqRY+xR2x2lVPuX7Sp 6atT1LLirwu69SRC4VbmKrn6P0ha+53dKfyMSyQtWZPKSPjNUoIIjzsaj2bA3hfZ848Tjs fMk1EjEf/vFloRGrVvOXZdEuWK7DIhNvsMJNWuBoa0mJhSWtagQsBV2dissSOW7oSrCRpI NfaZrGWl6OhxXtuxTvD8wE3B2q6WNf8BDwr6ebck0SgDA43XndAa95uTitEQVO64f1Fdon iDHvJ5dHndOj/kdypnPCQn4XjCVOZnAijgKMNETsRI46af/QcWO9+i3hg8nwIw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1678976204; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=h6a6StNvo2BmT0i5CDTH+X9bUcZLqQFd60UWs6zNFCY=; b=THI5FBSatBZZzKi5+3ScZtxby3tsvIAR45d07iq6DbL5Fp2eBYICIzarPbE0jN7uCozoJm RLTnrbjipaMoNi3dZqrmZbLEQRLljJvdFrMLAfwvn7qtsrQLoKKvWg6UDDV8AAn+JMUbns JQFfjcueWM16q0aFZ+Gf8zOLpjvINN3kbAkCQ1w7ltmjwVYUMBgKLxggDN4ShdEDw6Kh29 y7qJzoh/sRHECLMJ5VULA38gIEQF8OOdtDkIpsNlZLem0NZSq6tTFXW3uXD/WnKq7REe/7 KaNydQxeLfzfdVL5FAYsGGpW5k9fG8Qh6tm387qeq9uehB+S6T6mAVesdbS0vg== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.76 X-Spam-Score: -7.76 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 52EF613023 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=MfLUti2Y; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org X-TUID: 9t2WPCEXpfIZ Hi, Maxim Cournoyer skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: [...] >> I imagine we could develop more convenient services like this, such as a >> basic command scheduler similar to the =E2=80=98at=E2=80=99 command, and= a syslogd >> implementation. The latter could be nice for a couple of reasons: >> logging would happen from the start and till the end (an improvement >> over the external syslogd process), and it could let us provide a nicer >> user interface to view logs (taking inspiration from that of >> =E2=80=98journalctl=E2=80=99). >> >> Thoughts? Ideas? > > While I also find the journalctl interface to be convenient, the > underlying database logs is costly in terms of storage and complexity Agreed (that=E2=80=99s why I mentioned the user interface of =E2=80=98journ= alctl=E2=80=99, not the storage mechanism of =E2=80=98journald=E2=80=99). Ludo=E2=80=99.