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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 12:57:06 +0000 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <87zfx0ku7x.fsf@cbaines.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.71.252.8; envelope-from=mail@cbaines.net; helo=mira.cbaines.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.99 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2CD253B614 X-Spam-Score: -5.99 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: I7K0/XckulLi --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andreas Enge writes: > Am Sat, Dec 09, 2023 at 11:54:59AM +0100 schrieb Ludovic Court=C3=A8s: >> I think this underlines a collective failure to get our act together. > > indeed, and besides what Simon mentioned about the bank situation I think > there was a certain lack of consistency between deciding on the technical > and on the financial questions. And of course the lack of urgency, since > anyway things continued thanks to Chris... So thank you for all you have > done, Chris, and thank you for taking action now to force us to get our a= ct > together! Indeed QA has become a central part of our project infrastructu= re. > > I suggest the following, which resolves the lockstep between technology a= nd > finance: > - Decide that the funds at the FSF pay for the hosting in its current for= m. > Ideally move the billing to Guix Foundation, and then, as we use to do > for bayfront, periodically ask the FSF to reimburse the hosting cost. > I think we have an informal consensus for this, and just require a form= al > vote at the Guix spending committee and at the Guix Foundation SAC. > - Reimburse Chris for the costs incurred for hosting before this move. > As Simon has said, we have a vote for this already, but could also > start over with the exact amount once the first point is handled, so > that Chris does not pay for future hosting any more. > > Then in a separate step, other people can discuss about potential > technical changes to the hosting situation. It would probably be good > to have a small group of people, including Chris at least for a > transitory period, who take care of the sysadmin part. > > Any thoughts on this proposal? 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