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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.43 X-Spam-Score: -3.43 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A6B9F452EC X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: 5KJZsgxFJrKU On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Ian Eure wrote: [...] > GPL=E2=80=99d software I=E2=80=99ve created has been packaged for Guix, w= hich I assume > means it=E2=80=99s been included in SWH. While I=E2=80=99m dealing with = their (IMO: > unethical) opt-out process, I likely also need to stop new copies from > being uploaded again in the future. Even without Guix, SWH could upload your projects into their "database". In fact, I believe anyone can ask to archive your project to SWH. So even if you ask Guix to not do the archiving, anyone contributing might change that in the future. I believe that preventing Guix from archiving your software is a symbolic standpoint -- which I respect --, but would put more burden on the Guix developers. On the other hand, if enough people refuse to archive to SWH, this might shift Guix onto a new direction for longterm source archiving. I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps a first solution -- for the AI stuff -- would be to add an exception to the GPL that prevents AI from training on it. Alas, as usual, our legislators are late on that matter, so that might not even work. [...] --=20 Olivier Dion oldiob.ca