From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nils Gillmann Subject: Re: MAME emulator is giving incentive to use non-free software Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:48:31 +0200 Message-ID: <87y491zbz4.fsf@grrlz.net> References: <20160328215516.GA27719@protected.rcdrun.com> <20160329002620.GB6484@jookia-eeepc.Home> <20160329044242.GA1239@protected.rcdrun.com> <20160329062711.GA17752@jookia-eeepc.Home> <20160329073040.GA20807@protected.rcdrun.com> <20160329082522.GA10814@jookia-eeepc.Home> <20160329120051.GD13512@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44242) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akt4m-0000jJ-PF for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 08:48:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akt4j-0003LG-Gq for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 08:48:52 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:49407) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akt4j-0003LB-AP for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 08:48:49 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1akt4h-0002s1-VE for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:48:48 +0200 Received: from x5d83efcf.dyn.telefonica.de ([93.131.239.207]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:48:47 +0200 Received: from niasterisk by x5d83efcf.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:48:47 +0200 List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: guix-devel@gnu.org Jean Louis writes: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:35:12PM +0100, rain1@openmailbox.org wrote: >> MAME, Wine, Qemu and GNU/linux-libre all have the following in common: You >> can use them to run non free software. While they can all also be used to >> run free software I don't think this is important. Here's why: The freedom >> to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0). > > OK, please remember, I discuss this in friendly manner, totally separate > from other subjects. It is not personal. I wish that people get > awareness of what means pushing free software into society. > > I do feel that in GuixSD, since yesterday, there is lack of the > understanding what means truly free software. When Trademark issue is > not recognized over MAME® trademark, I also see that there is lack of > legal advice. Person who owns trademark may impose future restrictions > on software even demand moneys for sales of such. So that issue is > separate to be handled if MAME is included in GuixSD. >From some message in the thread I asssume that you have a legal background in your job? What's civodul's opinion on this? Should we CC rms and/or some legal related gnu list on this? I think potential trademark issue if they can be prevented before they happen are serious enough to discuss. The trademark question is the only thing I follow at the moment, I have no time to respond more in detail about the other topics. > Including a package such as MAME is convenient for gamers, but does not > push free software into the society. People who make free software > distributions shall undertand that important responsibility. > > Did you read the guidelines? > http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html > > Cite: > > "What would be unacceptable is for the documentation to give people > instructions for installing a nonfree program on the system, or mention > conveniences they might gain by doing so." > > Does README.md here, belongs to documentation? I think it does. > https://github.com/mamedev/mame > > Does it encite users to use non-free software by "preserving decades of > software history"? It does. > > Does it give incentive to users by "Where can I find out more?" to come > to the official website and does the official website offer any free > software? No, they don't. They offer ROMs, which cannot be even copied. > > Does then GuixSD gives incentive by distributing MAME to users, to use > non-free software? Absolutely yes. > > Are users of MAME who ask for support within that community to run MAME, > going to be divided because they will not get support truly, but they > will rather be rejected with "sorry, we don't support proprietary > installations of ROMs" -- yes, it will happen, just as it is already > happening with Trisquel. > > I use free software and I am free and fine with it. I am not using free > software to have 2 faces or to recommend to others non-free software. > > For that reason that MAME gives incentive to majority of users to use > non-free software, it shall not be included in distribution. > > Jean Louis > > -- ng personal contact: http://krosos.sdf.org EDN: https://wiki.c3d2.de/EDN