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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641222202; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=wbsw5cpNsxq9++VVfYLca2N1dinLpGOSucIQYFcMPlM=; b=uBOYfEdu7yd5n6B7V5f/A+5jsROlKeiPEWNrzvuePAFbth9dbVr7jiEzTVrKDGwqstf8jZ Pk4JObZ9bxfwZKjg3oSyj5k0sOOPh41uaZWisoLaaHwGobWTzwIzc/43tlu8QIKnpl93Dm DraAZEvW6wy+yLmFz1gIjHMdz/EJ13Qd+kUM5UKBbtPGYIB8dRsKWyF2RvcDsSb84IIpe5 GakMQ6sdhxZMlE9p1mVAmOSAp9mJkywoswFqaa1nUDLP9oD3wfj0K8sxZA4XF5Mi5YkVcN Qf92R0pSVSMvDuAU7Aeg749EYHdjWJIVFm5pxiklXqX1sig/OIauCZy3xPhUQg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641222202; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=tSDQYD/ebIKSikx+bksZBqAGFgH0j/QNx4tP61ypmef4Mqx7TBihStO3ma4R1vS2rCZ4DL nmfH5tiFTgScnpaGszVvU9W788W9vy5klWToFo+bZvI13l8k3qItmGWiP6VcNeusysFHu2 1F7Pf9h7rlONq+5otds7vgI8szUr4OIK7t9yu9jyzG43IlixqqwIAtlkJ6hTvpQWp8WWM/ ai6EugI+vmKubHDxi+dsqAgW40tTfqNU864AfHn+GIi2m4dcrwPLKKLUVALe9pQJxRGTLZ i9bR78W5BQdVMej4S/39htwmXxVRN8qtWBBAmH1nl7z/FiZZvmtpQtbuxzHQCg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.39 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B447329FCE X-Spam-Score: -3.39 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: mZgqCjW/MMEC Hello from 2022! I missed the bikeshedding discussion last year. :-) I think we can tweak style as we go, and it=E2=80=99s okay to have variants around the same style IMO, but I=E2=80=99m against the idea of rewriting the whole repo every time we have a new idea of what things should look like. This one was very much one-shot. When doing the first iterations of =E2=80=98guix style=E2=80=99=C2=B9, I fo= und it more pleasant to the eye to have small lists on a single line, the prime example being: (native-inputs (list autoconf automake libtool pkg-config)) Diffs of such a list remain readable IMO. I do agree that for longer lists one item per line is clearer though, which is why the pretty printer has this #:long-list parameter, currently defaulting to 5. There=E2=80=99s an opportunity to discuss style with new =E2=80=98guix styl= e=E2=80=99 changes=C2=B2. However, care must be taken not to fall into the bikeshedding trap. I think we must aim for readability and consistency, but also acknowledge that there=E2=80=99ll always be circumstances where one might choose a slig= htly different stylistic variant and that up to a certain level those variants are entirely fine. In the end =E2=80=98guix style=E2=80=99 is a h= elper; human beings get the last say. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. =C2=B9 https://issues.guix.gnu.org/49169 =C2=B2 https://issues.guix.gnu.org/52974