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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.28 X-Spam-Score: -8.28 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2EB1E6B93C X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-TUID: jbYwBNqVfk/l MSavoritias writes: > On 9/20/23 11:45, Nguy=E1=BB=85n Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix an= d the > GNU System distribution. wrote: >> On 2023-09-20 at 10:21+02:00, Csepp wrote: >>> It's better if we have at least one *well documented* developer setup, >>> than if we have a bunch of (sometimes conflicting) partial docs >>> for setting up certain subsystems. >>> >>> Emacs can be pretty good, once you do (setq make-defaults-not-suck 1) >>> a bunch of times. >> Or even more outrageous, an overriden Emacs package >> with all the good stuff for Guix development. >> We already have guix shell that spawns a shell >> and guix edit that spawns an editor, why no guix boot >> that spawns an OS^W^W Emacs with appropriate defaults? >> >> Disclaimer: I use the devil editor that goes by the number >> of VI VI VI, so take this suggestion with a grain of salt. >> > > Can't the guile editor be that? > > It kind of tries to be already. We just need to promote it and dogfood > it more. Do you mean Guile Studio?[1] It was really only intended to be a pre-configured editor for new Guilers, which is why it includes the picture language and Geiser with picture display. But as I wrote there There are many more things that can be done to make Emacs less confusing for people who use it just as a Guile IDE. I would be happy to hear your suggestions or apply patches to improve Guile Studio! This is still true today. [1]: https://elephly.net/guile-studio/ --=20 Ricardo