* [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
@ 2014-10-22 16:51 ` Alex Kost
2014-10-23 6:26 ` Andreas Enge
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Alex Kost @ 2014-10-22 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
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This font may be useful for resolving some symbols (like 🐼, 😻) in Emacs.
I don't know what license should be used, as the only mention about the
license is the following note from <http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/>:
«In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
redistributed.»
Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?
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From 42e291f301925f766436570fa8efabde51ef89a2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 20:36:33 +0400
Subject: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
* gnu/packages/fonts.scm (ttf-symbola): New variable.
---
gnu/packages/fonts.scm | 51 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 file changed, 51 insertions(+)
diff --git a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
index 7c95666..188f7b0 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
@@ -2,6 +2,7 @@
;;; Copyright © 2013 Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org>
;;; Copyright © 2014 Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
;;; Copyright © 2014 Guy Grant <tadnimi@gnu.org>
+;;; Copyright © 2014 Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com>
;;;
;;; This file is part of GNU Guix.
;;;
@@ -26,6 +27,7 @@
#:use-module (guix build-system trivial)
#:use-module ((gnu packages base)
#:select (tar))
+ #:use-module (gnu packages zip)
#:use-module (gnu packages compression)
#:use-module (gnu packages perl)
#:use-module (gnu packages xorg)
@@ -240,3 +242,52 @@ for long (8 and more hours per day) work with computers.")
(license
(license:x11-style
"http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=OFL_web"))))
+
+(define-public ttf-symbola
+ (package
+ (name "ttf-symbola")
+ (version "7.17")
+ (source (origin
+ (method url-fetch)
+ (uri "http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/Symbola.zip")
+ (sha256
+ (base32
+ "19q5wcqk1rz8ps7jvvx1rai6x8ais79z71sm8d36hvsk2vr135al"))))
+ (build-system trivial-build-system)
+ (arguments
+ `(#:modules ((guix build utils))
+ #:builder
+ (begin
+ (use-modules (guix build utils))
+
+ (let ((unzip (string-append (assoc-ref %build-inputs "unzip")
+ "/bin/unzip"))
+ (font-dir (string-append %output "/share/fonts/truetype"))
+ (doc-dir (string-append %output "/share/doc/" ,name)))
+ (system* unzip (assoc-ref %build-inputs "source"))
+ (mkdir-p font-dir)
+ (mkdir-p doc-dir)
+ (for-each (lambda (ttf)
+ (copy-file ttf
+ (string-append font-dir "/"
+ (basename ttf))))
+ (find-files "." "\\.ttf$"))
+ (for-each (lambda (doc)
+ (copy-file doc
+ (string-append doc-dir "/"
+ (basename doc))))
+ (find-files "." "\\.docx$|\\.htm$"))))))
+ (native-inputs
+ `(("source" ,source)
+ ("unzip" ,unzip)))
+ (home-page "http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/")
+ (synopsis "Font with many Unicode symbols")
+ (description
+ "Symbola is a TrueType font providing basic Latin, Greek, Cyrillic and many
+Symbol blocks of Unicode.")
+ (license
+ (license:fsf-free
+ "http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/"
+ "In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
+they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
+redistributed."))))
--
2.1.2
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-10-22 16:51 ` [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola Alex Kost
@ 2014-10-23 6:26 ` Andreas Enge
2014-10-23 14:14 ` Eric Bavier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Enge @ 2014-10-23 6:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alex Kost; +Cc: guix-devel
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:51:04PM +0400, Alex Kost wrote:
> «In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
> they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
> redistributed.»
> Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?
To me, this sounds like "public-domain".
Andreas
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-10-23 6:26 ` Andreas Enge
@ 2014-10-23 14:14 ` Eric Bavier
2014-10-23 17:36 ` Ian Denhardt
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eric Bavier @ 2014-10-23 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Enge; +Cc: guix-devel, Alex Kost
Andreas Enge writes:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:51:04PM +0400, Alex Kost wrote:
>> «In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
>> they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
>> redistributed.»
>> Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?
>
> To me, this sounds like "public-domain".
I was thinking the same.
--
Eric Bavier
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-10-23 14:14 ` Eric Bavier
@ 2014-10-23 17:36 ` Ian Denhardt
2014-10-24 6:11 ` Alex Kost
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ian Denhardt @ 2014-10-23 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Bavier, Andreas Enge; +Cc: guix-devel, Alex Kost
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Quoting Eric Bavier (2014-10-23 10:14:02)
>
> Andreas Enge writes:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:51:04PM +0400, Alex Kost wrote:
> >> «In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
> >> they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
> >> redistributed.»
> >> Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?
> >
> > To me, this sounds like "public-domain".
>
> I was thinking the same.
To me this sounds like "author does not understand licensing/copyright."
It's pretty obvious the intent is some kind of simple permissive thing
(whether that's a license or public domain), but it's not clear to me
how much legal ambiguity there is. IANAL, but for certain entities, the
ambiguity can be a problem (suppose, for example, you're a designer
wanting to use this font for something, but you work somewhere with a
strict legal department that doesn't think this qualifies as a license -
you may be out of luck).
You run into issues around certain packages, like sqlite-docs, where
they end up being technically non-free because the developers decide
"copyright is silly, I'm not going to deal with this." I sympathize,
but...
We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-10-23 17:36 ` Ian Denhardt
@ 2014-10-24 6:11 ` Alex Kost
2014-10-24 6:52 ` Ian Denhardt
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Alex Kost @ 2014-10-24 6:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ian Denhardt; +Cc: guix-devel
Ian Denhardt (2014-10-23 21:36 +0400) wrote:
> Quoting Eric Bavier (2014-10-23 10:14:02)
>>
>> Andreas Enge writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:51:04PM +0400, Alex Kost wrote:
>> >> «In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
>> >> they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
>> >> redistributed.»
>> >> Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?
>> >
>> > To me, this sounds like "public-domain".
>>
>> I was thinking the same.
>
> To me this sounds like "author does not understand licensing/copyright."
> It's pretty obvious the intent is some kind of simple permissive thing
> (whether that's a license or public domain), but it's not clear to me
> how much legal ambiguity there is. IANAL, but for certain entities, the
> ambiguity can be a problem (suppose, for example, you're a designer
> wanting to use this font for something, but you work somewhere with a
> strict legal department that doesn't think this qualifies as a license -
> you may be out of luck).
>
> You run into issues around certain packages, like sqlite-docs, where
> they end up being technically non-free because the developers decide
> "copyright is silly, I'm not going to deal with this." I sympathize,
> but...
>
> We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
> about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
> developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.
According to <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html> such
questions may be asked at <licensing@fsf.org>. But I'm afraid I'm not
able to ask about it properly.
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-10-24 6:11 ` Alex Kost
@ 2014-10-24 6:52 ` Ian Denhardt
2014-10-24 17:47 ` Alex Kost
2014-11-13 20:15 ` Ludovic Courtès
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ian Denhardt @ 2014-10-24 6:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alex Kost; +Cc: guix-devel
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Quoting Alex Kost (2014-10-24 02:11:53)
> Ian Denhardt (2014-10-23 21:36 +0400) wrote:
> > We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
> > about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
> > developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.
>
> According to <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html> such
> questions may be asked at <licensing@fsf.org>. But I'm afraid I'm not
> able to ask about it properly.
I'll bug them about it myself, and let you know what I hear.
-Ian
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-10-24 6:52 ` Ian Denhardt
@ 2014-10-24 17:47 ` Alex Kost
2014-11-13 20:15 ` Ludovic Courtès
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Alex Kost @ 2014-10-24 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ian Denhardt; +Cc: guix-devel
Ian Denhardt (2014-10-24 10:52 +0400) wrote:
> Quoting Alex Kost (2014-10-24 02:11:53)
>> Ian Denhardt (2014-10-23 21:36 +0400) wrote:
>> > We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
>> > about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
>> > developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.
>>
>> According to <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html> such
>> questions may be asked at <licensing@fsf.org>. But I'm afraid I'm not
>> able to ask about it properly.
>
> I'll bug them about it myself, and let you know what I hear.
Thanks! And sorry for bothering.
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-10-24 6:52 ` Ian Denhardt
2014-10-24 17:47 ` Alex Kost
@ 2014-11-13 20:15 ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-11-16 19:27 ` Ian Denhardt
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2014-11-13 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ian Denhardt; +Cc: guix-devel, Alex Kost
Ian Denhardt <ian@zenhack.net> skribis:
> Quoting Alex Kost (2014-10-24 02:11:53)
>> Ian Denhardt (2014-10-23 21:36 +0400) wrote:
>> > We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
>> > about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
>> > developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.
>>
>> According to <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html> such
>> questions may be asked at <licensing@fsf.org>. But I'm afraid I'm not
>> able to ask about it properly.
>
> I'll bug them about it myself, and let you know what I hear.
Did you hear from them?
Alternately, people at gnu-linux-libre@nongnu.org might have already
dealt with that?
Thanks,
Ludo’.
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-11-13 20:15 ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2014-11-16 19:27 ` Ian Denhardt
2014-11-16 21:09 ` Ludovic Courtès
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ian Denhardt @ 2014-11-16 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel, Alex Kost
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Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-13 15:15:37)
> Did you hear from them?
Finally, yes. Here's the full response:
Quoting Donald R Robertson III (2014-11-11 10:57:53)
> Thank you for contacting us about this, and I apologize we couldn't get
> back to you sooner.
>
> > [ian@zenhack.net - Fri Oct 24 03:28:57 2014]:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There's a patch that was recently submitted to the guix-devel[1] mailing
> > list which adds a package for the symbola[2] font, and there's some
> > question as to the licensing situation around it.
> >
> > All we've found is the line at the bottom of that page:
> >
> > > In lieu of a licence
> >
> > > Fonts in this site are offered free for any use; they may be
> > > installed, embedded, opened, edited, modified, regenerated,
> > > posted, packaged and redistributed. George Douros
> >
> > It's fairly obvious that the *intent* is for this to be free, but we're
> > concerned it may not qualify due to legal ambiguities (and the "in lieu
> > of a license" is not encouraging).
> >
> > Is this in fact sufficient for it to be included in a free distribution?
> > If not, we'll likely try to contact the author to see if he's willing to
> > put something more suitable on it; is there a specific license
> > appropriate for fonts that would effectively formalize the statement
> > above (and fix the problem)?
>
> It does seem clear that the author is looking to license the fonts
> freely, but the statement is a bit problematic as you saw. In the font
> world, much like in proprietary software, 'license' generally means a
> document that takes away a users rights and ensures that the copyright
> holder retains complete control over the work. It is likely that he just
> meant that the fonts were not under such restriction, but it would be
> nice to fix the issue. There's also the fact that the license is
> directed to fonts 'on this site'; so we would need to put something
> along with the fonts themselves to make sure that users understand what
> rights they are given.
>
> The best course of action would be to contact the author to try and
> clear up these issues. As you can see from our license list
> <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Fonts>, however, there
> isn't a font license that we could really recommend that would cover the
> same ground as what the author has outlined. But we could work with him
> to try and get a better licensing situation. If you think it is worth
> pursuing, please let us know and we will contact them
>
> Thanks again for contacting us about this issue.
>
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your advice,
> >
> > -Ian
> >
> > [1]: guix-devel@gnu.org
> > [2]: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/
> >
> >
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Donald R. Robertson, III, J.D.
> Copyright & Licensing Associate
> Free Software Foundation
> 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor
> Boston, MA 02110, USA
> Phone +1-617-542-5942
> Fax +1-617-542-2652
>
> ---
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-11-16 19:27 ` Ian Denhardt
@ 2014-11-16 21:09 ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-11-19 3:28 ` [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola. [gnu.org #954922] Ian Denhardt
2014-12-17 19:53 ` [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola Ian Denhardt
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2014-11-16 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ian Denhardt; +Cc: guix-devel, Alex Kost
Ian Denhardt <ian@zenhack.net> skribis:
> Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-13 15:15:37)
>> Did you hear from them?
>
> Finally, yes. Here's the full response:
Great, thanks.
> Quoting Donald R Robertson III (2014-11-11 10:57:53)
[...]
>> The best course of action would be to contact the author to try and
>> clear up these issues. As you can see from our license list
>> <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Fonts>, however, there
>> isn't a font license that we could really recommend that would cover the
>> same ground as what the author has outlined. But we could work with him
>> to try and get a better licensing situation. If you think it is worth
>> pursuing, please let us know and we will contact them
It’s probably worth pursuing, although I can imagine they’d rather spend
a reasonable effort on it.
Ludo’.
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola. [gnu.org #954922]
2014-11-16 21:09 ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2014-11-19 3:28 ` Ian Denhardt
[not found] ` <rt-3.4.5-31938-1416367745-1484.954922-6-0@rt.gnu.org>
2014-12-17 19:53 ` [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola Ian Denhardt
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ian Denhardt @ 2014-11-19 3:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel, licensing, Alex Kost
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(sending this to both the fsf and the guix-devel mailing list)
Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-16 16:09:33)
> Ian Denhardt <ian@zenhack.net> skribis:
>
> > Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-13 15:15:37)
> >> Did you hear from them?
> >
> > Finally, yes. Here's the full response:
>
> Great, thanks.
>
> > Quoting Donald R Robertson III (2014-11-11 10:57:53)
>
> [...]
>
> >> The best course of action would be to contact the author to try and
> >> clear up these issues. As you can see from our license list
> >> <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Fonts>, however, there
> >> isn't a font license that we could really recommend that would cover the
> >> same ground as what the author has outlined. But we could work with him
> >> to try and get a better licensing situation. If you think it is worth
> >> pursuing, please let us know and we will contact them
>
> It’s probably worth pursuing, although I can imagine they’d rather spend
> a reasonable effort on it.
Alright, I think we should contact him. My guess is he's not likely to
be very familiar with GNU/Linux or the Free Software community in
general (in addition to the licensing thing, the zip file contains
a .docx). I feel like if I draft a letter myself I'm likely to assume
too much knowledge.
Don, if the developers here agree, I'd appreciate it if you'd contact
the author, or perhaps draft a letter at least.
-Ian
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* [gnu.org #954922] Vague "licensing" for the symbola font.
[not found] ` <rt-3.4.5-31938-1416367745-1484.954922-6-0@rt.gnu.org>
@ 2014-12-16 21:58 ` Donald R Robertson III via RT
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From: Donald R Robertson III via RT @ 2014-12-16 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: guix-devel, alezost
> [ian@zenhack.net - Tue Nov 18 22:29:05 2014]:
>
> (sending this to both the fsf and the guix-devel mailing list)
>
> Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-16 16:09:33)
> > Ian Denhardt <ian@zenhack.net> skribis:
> >
> > > Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-13 15:15:37)
> > >> Did you hear from them?
> > >
> > > Finally, yes. Here's the full response:
> >
> > Great, thanks.
> >
> > > Quoting Donald R Robertson III (2014-11-11 10:57:53)
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >> The best course of action would be to contact the author to try
> and
> > >> clear up these issues. As you can see from our license list
> > >> <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Fonts>, however,
> there
> > >> isn't a font license that we could really recommend that would
> cover the
> > >> same ground as what the author has outlined. But we could work
> with him
> > >> to try and get a better licensing situation. If you think it is
> worth
> > >> pursuing, please let us know and we will contact them
> >
> > It’s probably worth pursuing, although I can imagine they’d rather
> spend
> > a reasonable effort on it.
>
> Alright, I think we should contact him. My guess is he's not likely to
> be very familiar with GNU/Linux or the Free Software community in
> general (in addition to the licensing thing, the zip file contains
> a .docx). I feel like if I draft a letter myself I'm likely to assume
> too much knowledge.
>
> Don, if the developers here agree, I'd appreciate it if you'd contact
> the author, or perhaps draft a letter at least.
>
> -Ian
Just an update that I am in contact with the author, and we are working
on the issues. Thank you for your time.
>
>
--
Sincerely,
Donald R. Robertson, III, J.D.
Copyright & Licensing Associate
Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor
Boston, MA 02110, USA
Phone +1-617-542-5942
Fax +1-617-542-2652
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* Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.
2014-11-16 21:09 ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-11-19 3:28 ` [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola. [gnu.org #954922] Ian Denhardt
@ 2014-12-17 19:53 ` Ian Denhardt
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ian Denhardt @ 2014-12-17 19:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: guix-devel, Alex Kost
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Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-16 16:09:33)
> ...
Just passing along an update from the FSF:
Quoting Donald R Robertson III via RT (2014-12-16 16:58:36)
> Just an update that I am in contact with the author, and we are
> working on the issues. Thank you for your time.
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