From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dimakakos Dimos Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 19:38:38 +0300 Message-ID: <87wodfi44x.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ftk4hbhu.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43607) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iHsVZ-0000tJ-An for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:38:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iHsVY-00063y-3t for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:38:45 -0400 In-reply-to: <87ftk4hbhu.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel@gnu.org Cc: GNU Guix maintainers Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > We, a group of GNU maintainers sharing a vision for a stronger GNU > Project, are publishing this statement today: > > https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ Hello to everyone. First of all I think that Guix blog was certainly not the proper place for such an announcement. I agree that software, especially free is a political issue and statement. On the other hand, there shall be a separation since many people are involved in Guix and may not be at the same page ideologically with the project's maintainers and so could be alienated. On the subject, I think that the discussion of rms's position in GNU is valid but that at the same time such an announcment should be made after a careful consideration and research. Do we have evidence that rms has caused harm to GNU's projects? Even in the aspect of diversity and community building, do we have evidence that rms is block or is it that we just play along with a media campaign, that was in a fact a full on personality attack on rms, by going as far as misquoting him. I would like to hear you expand on ways that the empowerment of all computer users was undermined by rms. I write all these in good faith. On one hand I can accept that if there is concrete evidence, on the other hand I see in the web media, people, associated with companies that would like the software freedom fronts to collapse, bash and drive out a person that offered his life to create and support the movement. In my opinion the timing is a bit off. By trying to solve whatever issue the community has with rms at this particular point, is like validating the misinformation that has spread this last month about his name. It's like the whole character assasination that happens on web is valid so we need to cancel rms. I think this is totally unfair. At the same time it's also important to move our community forward in ways that include every person and also enable people of all kinds of background to take part in GNU and this way realize the software freedom ideals. So to sum up it would be nice to expand a bit on the announcement. My main questions are: 1. How does the GNU project operate, in the light of all the different projects, and what role and influence had rms as the head of GNU? 2. How does rms with his afformentioned role undermine diversity and inclusivity of people working in GNU projects? 3. What would be your suggestion on the next day of GNU when rms hypothetically steps down? Is he a single issue or are the other issues that our community shall overcome. 4. In the case that rms is actually harming to our community how do we protect free software ideals while removing a person so closely related to their creation?