* Re: bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc [not found] <9251b0f558ee90be48420e76d7c4d326@riseup.net> @ 2020-02-26 10:06 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2020-02-26 10:23 ` Efraim Flashner 2020-02-26 11:57 ` Ricardo Wurmus 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-02-26 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: swedebugia; +Cc: guix-devel, 33844 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] swedebugia@riseup.net writes: > Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats. I agree. What do other people think? -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc 2020-02-26 10:06 ` bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-02-26 10:23 ` Efraim Flashner 2020-02-27 1:23 ` Mike Gerwitz 2020-02-26 11:57 ` Ricardo Wurmus 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Efraim Flashner @ 2020-02-26 10:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: guix-devel, 33844 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 603 bytes --] On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:06:30AM +0100, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > swedebugia@riseup.net writes: > > > Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats. > > I agree. What do other people think? This is language specific, but like other language-specific packages this is a package people would specifically search for as 'pandoc' and I agree, it should be renamed. -- Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> אפרים פלשנר GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc 2020-02-26 10:23 ` Efraim Flashner @ 2020-02-27 1:23 ` Mike Gerwitz 2020-02-27 13:10 ` zimoun 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Mike Gerwitz @ 2020-02-27 1:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Efraim Flashner; +Cc: guix-devel, 33844 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 988 bytes --] On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:23:14 +0200, Efraim Flashner wrote: > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:06:30AM +0100, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: >> swedebugia@riseup.net writes: >> >> > Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats. >> >> I agree. What do other people think? > > This is language specific, but like other language-specific packages > this is a package people would specifically search for as 'pandoc' and I > agree, it should be renamed. Ah, for the record, I had searched for pandoc using `guix package -s pandoc` in the past and didn't find what I was looking for, and so fell back to a Debian system. It turns out what I wanted was ghc-pandoc after all. But if I would have put a little bit more effort into looking, perhaps I would have figured that out; I was in a hurry. Thanks for making this change! -- Mike Gerwitz Free Software Hacker+Activist | GNU Maintainer & Volunteer GPG: D6E9 B930 028A 6C38 F43B 2388 FEF6 3574 5E6F 6D05 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 818 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc 2020-02-27 1:23 ` Mike Gerwitz @ 2020-02-27 13:10 ` zimoun 2020-02-28 5:03 ` Mike Gerwitz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: zimoun @ 2020-02-27 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mike Gerwitz; +Cc: Guix Devel, 33844 Hi Mike, On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 02:23, Mike Gerwitz <mtg@gnu.org> wrote: > Ah, for the record, I had searched for pandoc using `guix package -s > pandoc` in the past and didn't find what I was looking for, and so fell > back to a Debian system. It turns out what I wanted was ghc-pandoc > after all. Thank you for pointing the issue. My remark is *not* about the rename which seems fine. For the very same reason than the "git-annex" software is named 'git-annex' and not 'ghc-git-annex'. Well, your comment is pointing: a) that the description is badly written and b) the 'relevance' score is too rough. The command "guix search pandoc" returns as the highest ranked package: ghc-pandoc-citeproc with the relevance score of 17. The package of interest 'ghc-pandoc' appears at the 6th position with a relevance score of 8. (And after emacs-pandoc-mode, ghc-pandoc-types, emacs-ox-pandoc and python-pandocfilters; well less relevant packages, IMO.) Why? Because the number of occurrences of the term 'pandoc' in synopsis+description+name. ghc-pandoc-citeproc: 1+5+1 ghc-pandoc: 0+2+1 To be precise, the score uses weights and so it reads: ghc-pandoc-citeproc: 3*1 + 2*5 + 4*1 = 17 ghc-pandoc: 3*0 + 2*2 + 4*1 = 8 And the rename bumps the score because there is an additional weight (5) for exact match (which normally happens only for the 'name' field). ghc-pandoc-citeproc: 3*1 + 2*5 + 4*1 = 17 pandoc: 3*0 + 2*2 + 4*1*5 = 24 It apparently fixes the issue and now the package named 'pandoc' will show up first. But it is an artefact because it is easy* to find other weights that invalidate this expected ranking; and the current weights are a working rule of thumbs but not deeply thought, AFAIK. *For example instead of 5, let choose 2, then the score becomes: 3*0+2*2+4*1*2=12 which is less than 17. Well, not so easy because 2 is the same as 'description' and it seems less natural; i.e., it appears more natural to have a high weight for an exact match. But the point is: it is possible to find another working rule of thumb which will not return the expected result for all the packages. The real problem is not the non-obvious name (ghc-pandoc instead of simply pandoc) but it is: a) some descriptions are badly written and b) the 'relevance' scoring function is not enough "smart" to detect them. All the best, simon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc 2020-02-27 13:10 ` zimoun @ 2020-02-28 5:03 ` Mike Gerwitz 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Mike Gerwitz @ 2020-02-28 5:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zimoun; +Cc: Guix Devel, 33844 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 482 bytes --] On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 14:10:15 +0100, zimoun wrote: > Well, your comment is pointing: a) that the description is badly > written and b) the 'relevance' score is too rough. [...] > The real problem is not the non-obvious name (ghc-pandoc instead of > simply pandoc) but it is: a) some descriptions are badly written and > b) the 'relevance' scoring function is not enough "smart" to detect > them. Thank you for taking the time to explain this. -- Mike Gerwitz [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 818 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc 2020-02-26 10:06 ` bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc Pierre Neidhardt 2020-02-26 10:23 ` Efraim Flashner @ 2020-02-26 11:57 ` Ricardo Wurmus 2020-02-26 12:17 ` Pierre Neidhardt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Ricardo Wurmus @ 2020-02-26 11:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pierre Neidhardt; +Cc: 33844, guix-devel Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> writes: > swedebugia@riseup.net writes: > >> Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats. > > I agree. What do other people think? I agree. We should also rename all uses of ghc-pandoc in the same patch. -- Ricardo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc 2020-02-26 11:57 ` Ricardo Wurmus @ 2020-02-26 12:17 ` Pierre Neidhardt 2020-02-26 12:52 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-02-26 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: 33844, guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 197 bytes --] Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> writes: > We should also rename all uses of ghc-pandoc in the same patch. Oops! I'll resend patch 39798. -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#33844: Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc 2020-02-26 12:17 ` Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-02-26 12:52 ` Pierre Neidhardt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Pierre Neidhardt @ 2020-02-26 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ricardo Wurmus; +Cc: 33844, guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 79 bytes --] Done. See patch patch 39798. -- Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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