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References: <87zgz4cpib.fsf@gnu.org> <6d533331-87f7-414b-7422-276530798194@gmx.de> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 27 =?utf-8?Q?Vent=C3=B4se?= an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 18:25:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <6d533331-87f7-414b-7422-276530798194@gmx.de> (Michael Schierl's message of "Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:50:07 +0100") Message-ID: <87wnu51ymh.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, guile-user@gnu.org, bootstrappable@freelists.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616003737; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=gkFkJ1FsTHut8VaBKaG7HEWE5L2AvyllqfJIIMgly4s=; b=GiCXovbI6PkEAVPTUzOhrD5Q8QY61+UFePSS80uAi9fut2Env5KWh4af0KS3NXGXRDlJ4p j0pQomGGlGVVxI6xq07fgRBDiOp6CjSquLKKtBYADelzjsk3cTRs53EZiotQJoSC/42kd8 MSywhLLZGzccCMj6zrunxDjQqUemvDSu15YOSfYj44A5z+zocEPcbz0HIwgn+E887XEucJ rap5TFzHUGDxKXDFnbmewIPRucFQn2qT3t1SVqy3/SAK6ab0/9lw8l+nKPg4NN+U+3BNxv 4zGzYTvM4QKdC37bAEuo0ZuL6BSIiAe6iLnTUGgMEBZvu3UtpH+TSIP6/8zO9w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616003737; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=uAa8fyD2v8lpr4M9SXuK6Z0xxGzbBn9FYqIik9m8BT5FBG3eLvP6GMNgvK5Tejsx8+TLOf pLjyImHXq+VtZfWzbmoRqTzO7h2Xm2UaqmIUymH2G47TNC9u5U9r4LiS2EfjO/tGoKe3lm x3VpWpRo39bB0umBPCkRAPhNjjtcanB5ThDgChBra1EOgu6xY16PGGPzT7lHqkvDtkdQRv QBAGcrgkk2D0R3I+wjq8jau7hBzbpkOPebNYU2FuRg/qQkvXzEYcv6a5Cm53BvDwLvvl9q IZ9soOc7vV2emDVwmXP59mbb7zYttPa0WzSS1hsI4OMxLopaOPpotRmt6GawAw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.90 Authentication-Results: aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B6D1120661 X-Spam-Score: -1.90 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: lKWkXIqGiiXB Hi Michael, Michael Schierl skribis: > Am 15.03.2021 um 18:09 schrieb Ludovic Court=C3=A8s: >> Woow, this is great news! I think it would be great towards importing >> it in Guile proper. >> >> To do that, I think we should first get Andy=E2=80=99s opinion on the ap= proach. > > I don't think upstream is very interested in having psyntax-pp.scm > bootstrappable. In Guile 3.0.3 they broke even the `make > ice-9/psyntax-pp.scm.gen` target, and did not repair it even in Guile > 3.0.5, that's why I used 3.0.2 for the bootstrap. But I included a patch > to repair it in 3.0.5 in case you really want to bootstrap that version > (psyntax-pp.scm has not changed there). OTOH, from the git log it seems > like psyntax is currently being overhauled for the next release, so > probably my code would need some updates for the next version. Andy made it clear that it was a bug. There=E2=80=99s an interest in provi= ding a good bootstrapping story for Guile; that=E2=80=99s why there=E2=80=99s an= interpreter written in C, for example. I=E2=80=99m sure we=E2=80=99d be happy to addre= ss psyntax bootstrapping as well! > Also, in the last 15 years I avoided directly contributing to "GNU > projects" (with FSF as copyright holder in the license headers), reasons > below. But if anyone else takes my code and upstreams it, I won't object. Sure, we can discuss the details of how to integrate your code. (Guile incorporates code not initially written for Guile, such as sxml or (ice-9 match), and the policy is to not require copyright assignment for such code.) > Regardless, even when not part of Guile, I believe this code is very > useful for both the live-bootstrap project and Guix to get their Guile > bootstrapped. And even if nobody ever updates it for 3.0.6+, you can > always bootstrap the later versions from an earlier Guile. And maybe a > variation of it lands in GNU Mes, too. Yes, that would be great. We=E2=80=99ll have to take a closer look, but I= =E2=80=99m under the impression that a fruitful approach for Guile would be to have it maintained in-tree; that would immediately benefit all distros. Thanks! Ludo=E2=80=99. PS: Not all GNU packages require copyright assignment. Guix doesn=E2=80=99= t, for instance, and we=E2=80=99d be happy to get your contributions. :-)