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[95.29.46.119]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b10sm484361ljo.14.2021.10.15.00.38.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 15 Oct 2021 00:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_A=2E_Gomes?= To: Arun Isaac Subject: Re: EXWM References: <87sfxgeu69.fsf@gmail.com> <87o87zdbpd.fsf@systemreboot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:38:47 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87o87zdbpd.fsf@systemreboot.net> (Arun Isaac's message of "Fri, 08 Oct 2021 16:29:10 +0530") Message-ID: <87wnme91q0.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::133; envelope-from=andremegafone@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x133.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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I had EXWM configured in my Emacs init.el >> file (the sane, standard and documented way of doing it), and I've used >> it before in other distros. > > Just to clarify, I have exwm configured in my ~/.emacs, and it works. I > don't have any ~/.exwm file. The way Guix currently starts exwm does not > require to you have a ~/.exwm. So, Guix does support the standard way of > configuring exwm. Do we agree on this? Absolutely not. Please read my previous message. It seems that what you call "the standard way of configuring Exwm" includes running the default config that Exwm packages, but this should be optional. Please look at C-h P exwm RET. Item number 2 should be handled by the user, but Guix forces it. The only way out of it is to write a .exwm file. But, as I've stated previously, this (besides being a bad idea) is not documented. Users would only find out about it by looking at the package definition, or by looking at how the emacs process was started. Users can use their emacs init files as they wish, but that's a separate issue. My suggestion is simple: remove the added layer of complexity introduced by the .exwm file; don't force a default Exwm config on the user. What do you think? -- Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"