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They cause an extraordinary number of rebuilds. I hope they > are mostly harmless and do not cause additional build failures, so keeping > them in is probably easier than reverting them. 10,000 total rebuilds for Cuirass is about 2500 packages per platforms. It's large, but not 'extraordinary' large :-). 8 hours later we're back to our current 50% substitute coverage target. > But let us from now on stick with commits that make important packages work, > or packages very close to the leaves. > > I suggest the following timetable: > - Hard freeze now, only important broken packages or packages close to the > leaves may be changed. > - Over the weekend, update your systems and profiles and test and repair > problems that appear. > - If no show-stopper occurs, merge core-updates into master on Tuesday. OK, thanks for making this clear! I'll refrain from changes causing big rebuilds from now on, unless they are truly unavoidable. Sounds like a good plan. Cheers, -- Maxim