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Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2023 16:20:30 +0200 In-reply-to: <87h6o7vdsz.fsf@jpoiret.xyz> Message-ID: <87wmx0684g.fsf@elephly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ZohoMailClient: External Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.143.188.51; envelope-from=rekado@elephly.net; helo=sender4-of-o51.zoho.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 864D4600AE X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.43 X-Spam-Score: -2.43 X-TUID: 2SJoAqiLPQTd Josselin Poiret writes: > Regarding the =E2=80=9Cmom argument=E2=80=9D, I would disagree and say th= at this is > completely related: interruptions are more costly, you're more likely to > have less attention span, and overall you probably don't want to commit > to 20 steps just to send a contribution. That=E2=80=99s exactly it. I=E2=80=99m a parent working a full-time job and I=E2=80=99m easily overwhe= lmed by what I would have considered to be simple processes 20 years ago. All these simple and totally =E2=80=9Ceasy=E2=80=9D processes add up and =E2=80=93 oo= ps it=E2=80=99s 11:30pm already and I had been feeling exhausted since 10am=E2=80=A6 There=E2=80=99s an hour before I pass out =E2=80=94 what will I do with it?= This thread is about how we can reduce overhead; for me that would mean to have certain checks automated, or to have commit messages be generated so I only need to read them to sign off on them, etc. We all may gain from streamlining our processes. Personally, I see the biggest problem in a lack of effective tools for reviewers, which results in stretching out contribution interactions over weeks, months, or years. This, to me, would be a way to increase the weight of the rewards on the unbalanced scales that are overwhelmed by chores on the other side. --=20 Ricardo