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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.48 X-Spam-Score: -0.48 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DE37234BB9 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-TUID: fEZN+FOZQRMT Hi, Csepp writes: > Giovanni Biscuolo writes: > >> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] >> Hello Csepp, >> >> Csepp writes: >> >> [...] >> >>> I don't think repeating that no forge sucks less advances the >>> conversation towards any solution other than keeping the status quo, >>> which can't really be called a solution. >> >> Are we really talking about changing the official Guix forge: >> https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/guix? > > I definitely am. The real place to put efforts toward that goal should be in the GNU project; this way we can continue to maintain shared resource, knowledge and tooling as a project. I think packaging either sourcehut or gitea and writing a Guix System service for it would provide opportunities to experiment and perhaps one day move in that direction, so that's something concrete that you can direct your efforts too. -- Thanks, Maxim