From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add Nmap. Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:54:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87vbm68743.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> References: <87zjbi99hs.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <20141123090224.GA8260@debian> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52045) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsVkX-0005Yr-2K for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:54:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsVkV-0006bx-V0 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:54:41 -0500 Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]:34241) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsVkV-0006br-OM for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:54:39 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hi2so3170171wib.17 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 03:54:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141123090224.GA8260@debian> (Andreas Enge's message of "Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:02:24 +0100") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Andreas Enge Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Andreas Enge writes: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:05:35PM +0100, "Taylan Ulrich Bay=C4=B1rl=C4= =B1/Kammer" wrote: >> Many distros separate Zenmap from the Nmap package. Should we do the >> same? If yes, I'll need some help. This recipe builds it together >> with the rest of the suite. > > Our general policy is to build as intended by upstream with as little > changes as possible. So unless there is a compelling reason to > separate the two, I would not do it. Hm, zenmap would pull in X.Org and all sorts of GUI things, which would be very annoying for someone who wants nmap on a headless server, embedded system, or the like. Well, I didn't need to add any such inputs, and it built zenmap anyway, but of course it won't run without those. Does that mean I made a mistake, or is it fine that users have to know what run-time dependencies to install for certain components of packages to work? It seems Debian recently split of ndiff as well, after which the nmap package itself won't depend on Python either, and only has very slim dependencies. (I *did* have to input python-2 for it to build ndiff and zenmap...) This topic seems to tie in well with Gammel Holte's recent post on the ML regarding how optional run-time dependencies will be handled in Guix. Maybe we should wait for the outcome of that. Or at least I'll need to read up on Nix/Guix dependency handling, because I'm confused on what should and shouldn't be an input. Taylan