From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) Subject: Re: NEWS for 0.10.0 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 10:52:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87vb44xs8l.fsf@T420.taylan> References: <87h9fryfub.fsf@gnu.org> <87twjrvbyb.fsf@gnu.org> <1459303276.4007.9.camel@openmailbox.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34597) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1alBra-0006SD-Tv for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:52:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1alBrZ-0002Ee-NY for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:52:30 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-x242.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::242]:36504) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1alBrZ-0002EZ-Fy for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:52:29 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-x242.google.com with SMTP id 20so12607169wmh.3 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 01:52:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1459303276.4007.9.camel@openmailbox.org> (Rastus Vernon's message of "Tue, 29 Mar 2016 22:01:16 -0400") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rastus Vernon Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Rastus Vernon writes: > On Sun, 2016-03-27 at 23:38 +0200, Mathieu Lirzin wrote: > >> I think it would be reasonable to integrate this news in the current >> scheme by not making it top level.=C2=A0=C2=A0What about moving this new= s in a >> category "Contribution" or "Community"? >>=20 >> While speaking about code of conducts I have found sometimes ago an >> alternative version which achieves the same expected effect as the >> current one but in a more consensual way: >>=20 >> =C2=A0 https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Foundation/CodeOfConduct?actio= n=3D >> show&redirect=3DCodeOfConduct >>=20 >> Even if I know I belong to the minority who disagree with the >> =E2=80=9CContributor Covenant=E2=80=9D ideas, I think GNOME code of cond= uct would fit >> better in Guix because it will not associate GNU with a movement >> using >> the term =E2=80=9COpen Source=E2=80=9D and promoting Github usage. >>=20 >> WDYT? > > Yes, the Contributor Covenant does not fit the GNU project's ideals > very well. It is also my opinion that it is too political. I think we > want a code of conduct which ensures we have a nice community, not one > that makes us take political stances not related to free software. > > I like the GNOME Code Of Conduct, but also want to suggest the Debian > Code of Conduct[1], which is more detailed, not political and fits this > project very well since Debian has similar ideas to ours on free > software (at least more than the Contributor Covenant), and is a > distribution like GuixSD. > > The current code of conduct hasn't been there for long and changing it > wouldn't cost anything. :) > > [1]:=C2=A0https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct I much prefer the current COC to both that of GNOME and Debian. I think trying to be apolitical is naive. In practice it boils down to accepting the status quo. In an unjust society, some injustices appear normal, therefore dissent against them is seen as more "political" than the tolerance of those injustices, even though tolerating injustices is surely a political move. Speaking of sexism, racism, etc. specifically is honest, if we agree that these are problems. Actively refusing to speak of them amounts to implying that these problems don't exist, which --if they exist-- is a way to actively protect them. I hope we can all agree that these problems exist. Taylan