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Subject: Re: What???s next?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 12:16:45 +0200
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Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl> skribis:

> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 05:45:39PM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote:
>> [1] `guix pull` verifies the certificate of <git.savannah.gnu.org>
>> against the Let's Encrypt trust chain *only*.
>
> This brings up another annoyance. Before a first 'git pull' as a
> newbie you have to go through a number of steps which are, arguably,
> redundant.

Note that the Let=E2=80=99s Encrypt certificate check by =E2=80=98guix pull=
=E2=80=99 works out
of the box: users don=E2=80=99t need to install =E2=80=98nss-certs=E2=80=99=
, define a bunch of
environment variables, etc.

> I am talking about installing a first key to trust the guix server.
> Well, if we have installed guix AND we use guix pull, I think we can
> assume the guix server is trusted (by the user). Therefore, that key
> should work out of the box (it is what people install from the tree
> anyway!). It is a redundant step. Debian also uses keys and works
> out of the box.

Substitute servers are fundamentally different from servers that provide
Guix packages, which is why it=E2=80=99s treated differently.

On GuixSD, the key of hydra.gnu.org and bayfront.guixsd.org are always
registered by default.  We cannot do that for someone installing Guix on
a foreign distro because that involves creating a file in /etc.

> The other thing is permissions. Sometimes the user profile needs
> explicit permission settings.

What do you mean?

Thanks,
Ludo=E2=80=99.