From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id CHQMBK4skGAabAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 03 May 2021 19:02:38 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id KPBbO60skGDlNQAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 03 May 2021 17:02:37 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B494B1F5A8 for ; Mon, 3 May 2021 19:02:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:55746 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldbxs-0001Ze-Ly for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 03 May 2021 13:02:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45976) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldbwb-0000xx-QI for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2021 13:01:19 -0400 Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:34576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ldbwZ-0006Y0-N6; Mon, 03 May 2021 13:01:17 -0400 Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ldbwU-0001ht-Uf; Mon, 03 May 2021 13:01:11 -0400 From: Mark H Weaver To: Leo Prikler , Giovanni Biscuolo , Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: Criticisms of my "tone" (was Re: A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes) In-Reply-To: <7ca586376ff9502f491dbd14cdfe6b91e8b7c03b.camel@student.tugraz.at> References: <87tunz11mf.fsf@netris.org> <87y2daz13x.fsf@netris.org> <87r1j2z079.fsf@netris.org> <87a6pqypf9.fsf@netris.org> <87wnsp7yo9.fsf@gnu.org> <87v986pdej.fsf@netris.org> <874kfm75fl.fsf@biscuolo.net> <1bbb100c34c660eaa697ae7ea9ea7ea3638c4c50.camel@student.tugraz.at> <87wnsije63.fsf@netris.org> <877dkhrfnj.fsf@netris.org> <1d5132d2fe2a9081906dedef574e466a357d4800.camel@student.tugraz.at> <871raop4wq.fsf@netris.org> <7ca586376ff9502f491dbd14cdfe6b91e8b7c03b.camel@student.tugraz.at> Date: Mon, 03 May 2021 13:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: <87v97zoipq.fsf@netris.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.112.178.59; envelope-from=mhw@netris.org; helo=world.peace.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel , GNU Guix maintainers Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620061357; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=xwtAjqOdhzggbDUaAF8fSzxAeGnGS6jCljDQ6TF4l08=; b=JGvaeWYTRE84Vnlok59kw9YSZkTAU81kLgwGwFX5dQ4/p3grOdXvBY/BO74Ru2emMbO1HH 24YCmLndbv9fuF0uPdVAYAnt0N8as7Ait5v/DjA489+Cdl+jcmG9bT1bGYB50yW28pXjFF jeCmMQLBEcNm8SCkqi+lnxjDahwth9WEHUIZI+WRdB2qCQS+MheSto7BtzrD0tnej9kMCM LXxaeTe3FXYLDK4XMMBqUMApf9UFl6uwib1wlbg4Ir0ucW16iH8ffX/T0V+xGLDtV/oKB7 98A0VNFKnPfl5tAvH1z8wV9yEion4wune6T9VBDIYqzD3BOp//gbPFDv3b2vDg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620061357; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=l2f0jCtcx+It6mTosk1jjUh6h3MX8pPqUnLDb4SoDHIF3lE0FcTS8mxkFDi20S7CV+IA1F j5E9/PVTSzFQaVdlUt2l8A5tYwjrfyLTP6P2WYEUluXoek41tg83oOj5C9H9e5NFRET/Up HzQrmCVAQw9g+zt48qEwMd0TG25SI56rInbe497EMlj91BsBzh2YAK2wpm/KwTBsmSY0n1 TmIozy6o+5BlDCdMM5k714p9xiPd6dqVA3buGib+vpZibEs4u14eP7lR22kBb9MzLin21p ixL09b1zXBBrywfO9C3fbJVkudZCJSghunnVELh1BLRi08eB9xzXWtReeB/x7A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.46 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B494B1F5A8 X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: prgMSx1W3+8e Hi Leo, Leo Prikler writes: > Am Montag, den 03.05.2021, 05:00 -0400 schrieb Mark H Weaver: >> Leo Prikler writes: >>=20 >> > Am Samstag, den 01.05.2021, 23:13 -0400 schrieb Mark H Weaver: >> > > I don't think I fumbled on the facts at all. It's true that I >> > > didn't yet have _all_ of the relevant facts, but as far as I >> > > know, every fact that I presented is true. >> > >=20 >> > > If you disagree, can you please provide a counterexample? >> >=20 >> > In your very first message you made it seems as though Raghav >> > single-handedly authored and pushed the changes in question and >> > called into question their reliability as a committer. The former >> > was based on "facts", that turned out half-true =E2=80=93 Raghav did p= ush >> > that commit, but they did so thinking that L=C3=A9o did proper review, >> > which they did not =E2=80=93 >>=20 >> Here, once again, you've failed to point out any of my *actual* words >> to back up your (bogus) claim that I "fumbled on the >> facts". Instead, you speak of how I "made it seem". You put more >> words into my mouth. > If you want to read your actual words, they were >> Behold, Raghav's "cosmetic changes" to our 'cairo' package I don't know how the genitive case is used in German, but in English, it can mean a great many things, from possession (Mark's bicycle) to mere association (Mark's community of friends) and many other things. It certainly does *not* imply single-handed authorship as you suggest above. I'll grant that you are correct in your speculation that at the time I wrote the words above, in my *mind* I more-or-less assumed that Raghav had authored the commit. After all, Raghav digitally signed and pushed the commit, whose metadata indicated that he was the sole author. However, I never *wrote* anything that implied he was the sole author. Therefore, I still maintain that in my actual communications, I didn't "fumble on the facts" *at all*. I'm going to _try_ to refrain from responding again, because in order for this exchange to be finite, *one* of us must eventually let the other one have the final word. Regards, Mark --=20 Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about .