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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1674217041; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=qnaejeX4zXJ4Usg1eGz3yMLSZsNk4giQrkmppSEcv50=; b=b9GZl+szPFb0KRS9QPBotAoPD79zUw7JtCZ68QyDQJMPJEEixRtBEjUFL7WESmhqYiWpLr DQbLdT1KlRmcejwkdfdIDHqlv6R7H7An+y4ROaYH82kP6J3RnE9J+da0QtikdmVxLhQUlU tHZhQBfaMiz5+efHqZi28fw/XcqfjjrIiw2WCDtyZnt60PliLN74uVDulg27rYBZg5LHyF LSk4BaqJXxzs42pT5ASP2GlXRhbhZMoiR87Kw3fdll28CHx2w553PBKqrvUB4Qmfezskfp HuOfPcGnP7pTBwTFrrsL6t0b0p5Jr3CECzch5IX/Nl7/QrH66ORNl9GHXsOhZg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=EFquUdok; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1674217041; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=JuODANndrSlnadMXjk3W8YQWT3TgV2lty5IByLbLfx5d5QgNjxX7QeQ3FgVNPOFyhBDg0I q+5Ex29eHofeprrCAK6FhYOaW6dRUZzo+BJmocQggpBEBV7hZiL/xdvYyuFrjswWQz9ggc obyhIAbQUqji8N4IzBoNdMH3gRsa5kMci7txPdMMugCvMgyieHcBXD+Io1PGgYTvj0Y3NN uAIVpl+ySRTDoLEUYutmmdTx0fS/nK9N9FAbT+4pfpGhKO3JC4yF+56oiZ3hyDz/ZMD0fF JsduZlLbUH6/VxP/eLnYkPlBWPKYRB1taNi5i+gYj257ixLdSbb7Eymws/yTIA== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.78 X-Spam-Score: -4.78 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5335C212E9 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=EFquUdok; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-TUID: paZSUe3qp2Mx Hi Ludo, On jeu., 19 janv. 2023 at 15:14, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > To me, Emacs is still Emacs, with or without libgccjit. Of course JIT > is an improvement, I don=E2=80=99t deny that, but what I mean is that I s= till > use Emacs for the very same activities. This is even more true for > polkit, because I don=E2=80=99t interact directly with it. Yeah, there is a trade-off for the maintenance between packages that the most of us want and specialized packages for user=E2=80=99s own needs. This reminds me past discussions about parameterized packages. ;-) Well, for instance the scientific package =E2=80=99gmsh=E2=80=99 is built f= ull featured =E2=80=93 with GUI using =E2=80=99fltk=E2=80=99. That=E2=80=99s a feature = that requires big dependencies; when I mainly use it without GUI. Another example, git-annex is built full featured =E2=80=93 able to run the WebApp for instance. That=E2=80=99s a feature that requires a increase of = 5%; when I mainly use a very restricted set of Git-Annex features. Another instance, the closure of Guix increases a lot from 1.2 to 1.4. Of course the new version provides many improvements, I do not deny that, but I still use Guix for the very same activities as I am doing since version 1.2. ;-) The tacit policy with Guix packages is that the packages are usually by default =E2=80=9Cfeature maximalist=E2=80=9D or specifically named =C2=AB <= foo>-minimal =C2=BB =E2=80=A6 > Right, and reportedly, Alpine-based images for things like Python are > smaller than what we do. There=E2=80=99s no cheating here: images are > self-contained. =E2=80=A6contrary to Alpine where the packages are usually by default =E2= =80=9Cfeature minimalist=E2=80=9D or specifically named =C2=AB - =C2= =BB. Consider the package Emacs [1] and give a look at the recipe for the package named =E2=80=99emacs=E2=80=99 [2]. Well, this Alpine package =E2= =80=99emacs=E2=80=99 looks like the Guix package named =E2=80=99emacs-minimal=E2=80=99, and then Alpine pro= vides these variants (subpackages): emacs-doc emacs-gtk3 emacs-gtk3-nativecomp emacs-nox emacs-x11 emacs-x11-nativecomp 1: 2: > Maybe a good topic for a sub-group at the Guix Days? :-) Yeah for sure. :-) Although, from my point of view, the main issue is about a policy for package inclusion; I mean there is no secret: light images means images with less features. :-) My personal and biased opinion is that Guix should follow minimalist packages as default packages and provides more variants. But the maintenance cost is not free, IMHO. :-) Cheers, simon