From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: my latest blog post Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:49:29 +0200 Message-ID: <87tvqdl76e.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39533) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRHln-0005EF-9o for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:49:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fRHlk-00011C-37 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:49:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Catonano's message of "Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:25:06 +0200") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Catonano Cc: guix-devel Hello! Catonano skribis: > In this post I discuss Guix > > And I discuss Guile too > > I understand that the language is strong and I expect someone to be upset > > But I feel this is due > > Happy reading > > http://catonano.v22018025836661967.nicesrv.de/the-gnu-community.html Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I pretty much agree with the kind words about the Guix group. ;-) I didn=E2=80=99t know (I suppose I didn=E2=80=99t pay attention) to what ha= ppened to you in Guile land, and I=E2=80=99m sad you experienced it and felt bad about the whole story. I feel that =E2=80=9CGNU is toxic=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CGuile is toxic=E2= =80=9D are unhelpful, though. I mean, we are GNU, and we are Guile. GNU has its own set of problems that we=E2=80=99ll have to deal with, and it=E2=80=99s a very big organizat= ion with its own history etc., so improving things is difficult. But Guile is a small community, and I=E2=80=99m sure we can improve. To me, the lesson as a Guile co-maintainer is that we should be paying more attention in general. I consider myself partly responsible for this in that, although I=E2=80=99m still officially co-maintainer, I haven= =E2=80=99t been paying much attention to what=E2=80=99s going on on the Guile channels= . We shouldn=E2=80=99t let hostile conversations like the one you experienced on #guile through. Perhaps what we need is someone to step up and help out with Guile? We should all care. Thank you, Ludo=E2=80=99.