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References: <87k11iwqim.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgg6a2bh.fsf@nckx> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 09:11:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87sgg6a2bh.fsf@nckx> (Tobias Geerinckx-Rice's message of "Mon, 11 May 2020 18:01:06 +0200") Message-ID: <87tv0k48ch.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 13 May 2020 08:31:43 -0400 X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -0.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-0.01 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.53976038712068]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.06), country: US(-0.00), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.54)]; DWL_DNSWL_FAIL(0.00)[209.51.188.17:server fail]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_FAIL(0.00)[209.51.188.17:server fail]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[othacehe@gnu.org,guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gnu.org]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.51.188.17:from]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: k+XzXi9aOA73 Hello Tobias and Jonathan, > Are you, for example, able to connect to a Wi-Fi network the Gnome way (n= ot > using the installer), without a Gnome authentication dialogue popping up = that > doesn't understand the notion of =E2=80=98no password=E2=80=99? I had to= open a terminal and > =E2=80=98passwd=E2=80=99 myself out of that to continue. No, I kept connman as the installer network-manager. > Last time I brought this up someone mentioned using Calamares[0]. Not tha= t I > think that's a good idea, but it's another data point for discussion :-p My main concern with Calamares, Anaconda & friends is that we will inevitably have to write some Python/C++ to adapt it to Guix System installation. Now that we have Guile code covering the whole installation and associated automated tests, I would prefer not to use those external tools. > As much as I dislike Gnome, I think we should first try to use the (most > likely) default desktop during the installation, and I do think that's > currently Gnome. I agree that even though GNOME is heavy and hard to configure, its also probably to most popular DE. To adapt the current installer to GNOME, we would need to: * Switch from connman to NetworkManager. * Add DBus bindings to control NetworkManager. * Use 'setxkbmap' or a GNOME API to handle keyboard layout switching. * Open the info page somewhere else than on TTY2, maybe in a Web-browser. Thanks, Mathieu