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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel , Raghav Gururajan Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619456837; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=9It/XN/BLc8EDso3lr8bb/6Ay0dV4pGh6CQ69oFo8As=; b=tLNLg2LdphC8a5FZOyYq8gf3/TdcZeVK29sdKK1Kke4yw99EErO5XiaXRoKgzyX9CCfakY YtbiDk1WXTXfUkJmiFRjsjqeyxa/CNye8IDNA109endKNyNdd19XiHre7CHGvN55pTUmnC 36SrSEKK1lLv7FuhF6QrBIbkse14T/+geI3nhLlHVhjOYWSQ5w5AmMQa4xAImt8qmGb4Ct CdySnTX/n4WaUf+UCFrGzZcwv3xviPYRkOD1cG8ONPomxAP7S9ZKPyx4pn3HQgxcaCy2Tk jWuvoPoIy0dY1zeuYg7O1BnVzj8K5FHpBEvM8or+UUbWl+DUU9HlR/lyu3MvzQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619456837; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=sqaCHlGfiaGGTIBDGAudK9bZcREJFtEc08VmUKDppgPHFuSjEEZSROXtolzLPi9ED++B0f cxsMzNA9D7B7MnmgNwvbh6Z6/SIvisua8exrF6Dden39xCqpmbOtErmfb097QgWvlxwznE t/97wt2r60CEhKnSk1kMJor6+SJ/aGhNQcapHTND1bo/GsK7D/6gmRnDQHYINt1//DrZU1 5SPFHpZRFUpjB200PxYRjNFLS8mM24CMNaJ7vSoI7kBjuAVnbb3f0Mhh1AVM7vAoNtcK2T GXxw8ol9AMFl6iJ9l24yleQrBODvEO9v5e5D7kNHajEsdbyrxBx319B54enxEQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.05 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 548FA1D0E5 X-Spam-Score: -2.05 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: /E1IBDS9sQ/z --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Guix, Leo Famulari writes: [...] > And in the case of GNOME, we have already fallen short of our goals > several times, having missed multiple upgrades. I regret not to be able to contribute more to Guix, but please nobody should feel guilty not to be able to keep-up with upstream's upgrading rate (whatever rate it is), better safe than up-to-date :-) > I too have felt the temptation to cut corners with Git when I know that > the final result will be "okay". But Guix is not just about the final > product (a release, or a merge). We also have the --commit option to > Guix commands, and `guix time-machine`. So the Git history is important > too. Yes, please this should be stressed: Guix *is* it's official (master, core-updates...) git repo branches. Just to understand: /if/ at any point in time a user is able to afford the effort to build the entire core-updates /or/ staging branch she should be confident the result is state-of-the-art secure. Am I wrong with this assumption? > And I have also spent several hours at a time, focused on completing > (after several restarts) a complicated rebase involving dozens of > commits. And I've done that many times. I think this is the most expensive activity of Guix maintainers, for the very reason that Guix *is* git > I do think that Mark is being hyperbolic about the wip-gnome branch. The > name says "work in progress" and we don't hold those branches to a high > standard. I understand your point but please consider that /unless/ a wip-branch is private (or privately shared out-of-Guix-git) that branch it's a pubblic collective work in progress and sometimes (seldom? often? I really don't know) that work could be completed by someone else, so even in wip- branches committers should exercise some degree of discipline, especially when dealing with "commit message completeness" and more with security related patches. In other words, IMHO a certain degree of safety must be assured also on wip- branches. Probably the policy about wip-branches, whatever it is ("do what you want" or something in line with my comments above), should be documented in the contributing section of the Guix manual. > But what happened on core-updates *must not happen again*. Please no. > For a task as large as "updating GNOME in Guix", history tells me that > it has to be a group effort. In many cases, the hardest part of a > project is coordination and leadership, not coding. I hope that this > current effort continues, and that more people decide to join. OK but please consider that /if/ Guix cannot "update GNOME in Guix" for whatever reason, GNOME should not be updated. Thanks! 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