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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621468822; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=D0bhy5AZK8LZzI60J9XcahPFGWJ6WMMLynEyYQCd734=; b=gOcF27piSd+YtXnFqERLGnVoSdGrA0qFs5Qm7MRSvTJa27FVF52P5/M8Ww9EXRrl/3QiQh HdH92yu4YcbyBxmWr6FQGBdeppVi2YdN1bkj37ApVXMjZWcBwSTvQDHiF+Ex0NIj5wnQPD bMLbooz0IzDjtPaISOsqMo9/HsE0/O2uoVRQj8As3D4J7ONrZD2UMKnI2VUWFuhXtcCEBI /J1BZ6oWiho7/9EGhVWjR5xSSKMKgUS22vnyra1TQr3UVeP9Zq9lnuXOCpyQ1/M0q1S8fM qkZB/9dixALoVqVr9TBUg8HoughEEloKX1FodeWO7sYzNI3veAAXbktKy+lgOg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621468822; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=JnYYjuffHLvG4wHV0W4HMLPXOfhGgdlI3BzKWHHtjeYJdlHZRWcxjIhlAqWLrsQ9bjI+B5 H8ebi4N4+/iOdaXxuX6KBwSDG5h+cHt5+nVL/TwcSgMCVXCYvVGCFBspXESLeVJMDnMmzL orrJpboCCPfVhKzcUOCovaThvSrFiCdmntZzRWU0b4mtXsJWIsh8k16tY8EC37glrioi+N xruCbUCG5V2bR8gIjClm2MFUajoMS1ixEUt/ACG34wujb1zZ6+wJueIN6YICH66pJXjlol iAWkyA3cle1yKOqiuBm9U62S9Wy085eHyOi/NtkJLT1kmePU0p9+VUitG9TnaQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=NmelF9ck; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.64 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=NmelF9ck; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2247317A3F X-Spam-Score: -2.64 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 2n320JOwhuDv I received this message on Freenode: ``` -jess- [Global Notice] Hi all. It feels like my moral responsibility to inform all users that administrative control of freenode and its user data will soon change hands, and I will be resigning from freenode staff effective immediately. It's been an honour to help you all. ``` Below are some resignation letters I have seen. I think this event presents an opportunity for reassessment of . Two interesting areas to explore are Freenode alternatives and IRC alternatives / compliments. # Freenode Alternatives Here are some Freenode alternative questions I have: Will Guix continue to use Freenode? Will Guix create #guix channels on other IRC networks? (Several of the resignation letters refer to ) Will Guix start it's own IRC server(s)? # IRC alternatives / compliments Some criteria that I have come up with are: * Free software * Can be used without a graphical user interface as many GPUs are not compatible with Linux-libre and can not run Xorg or Wayland window managers / desktops. * Peer to peer as a way to avoid the issue of a centralized administrator changing their administration in undesirable ways. Some alternatives that come to mind that would need further investigation include the following. I do not know if any of these meet all the criteria I mention above. * Scuttlebutt ** https://scuttlebutt.nz/ ** Is there a client that works without a graphical environment? * DAT ** Are there messaging application for DAT? ** https://www.datprotocol.com/ * IPFS ** Are there messaging application for IPFS? ** https://ipfs.io/ * Jami ** https://jami.net/ ** Swarms specifically *** https://jami.net/swarm-introducing-a-new-generation-of-group-conversations/ *** Swarms are fully distributed and peer-to-peer text conversations, with a potentially unlimited number of participants. ** on Freenode #jami said: "https://github.com/AmarOk1412/jami-cli/ no video/audio support but support swarm" * RetroShare ** http://retroshare.cc/ ** Is there a client that works without a graphical environment? # Resignation Letter These are some of the resignation letters I have seen. https://www.kline.sh/ https://swantzter.se/freenode-resignation/ https://coevoet.fr/freenode.html https://mniip.com/freenode.txt https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_461 https://gist.github.com/JonathanD82/6518b93708e0aaf4b8f92c8e7200816d https://gist.github.com/jesopo/45a3e9cdbe517dc55e6058eb43b00ed9 https://gist.github.com/pinkisemils/39d4ded8b1639b6f39dcab15618649f5 https://gist.github.com/edk0/478fb4351bc3ba458288d6878032669d https://fuchsnet.ch/privat/fn-resign-letter.txt This is an open letter .