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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655904724; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=55LFlbC72ExZc4boPc4kQ8E6IRRETfxCpKFnZXuarAA=; b=rsS452beBZqCiA4ts1Oaz6M2lcqnvcYH173NktmxYvYiwqbqywLPixSuU5rKVAaazyQ1Le 5S0xiLR/bRBYz3C1PLdmJqQov2gQLNMj+auWFaZEt1zuLEuxCYygpC+l42YeXI/h7D+a9Z n82a854P2iNYZbcVSFnCYOTcqBT7hM6Q9VQesFSP2m8QLgUQXBTjZ2IQg3HO9bcW6y6ZRP svyKc5JFag1GulQcjSFm0DDWggYwaQI7ZE5vYT474mGom7aYxJJeBctnxnoMOTFl266OW/ Fo4iSUuEa2uENWMmeVo2cqIlURR5DZPwQTswLHVmsVd/l/q4HZPJr26QWxncvw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655904724; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QrpqBY79/dMT3s3C6u4CdHWXW+5ZMXHauE32fjMeDKgVNwpbqHGRbbwAJQO0KwRBQb57Qu XD2Z8ChQRjoAElDBfPl9XlXPjHe4jjc5Dg1hkmJ7DAxCvxU0MF9RUfs76HR/9pd/k0itvz EZkhDG0oUnCQOCGzqu/cKWA/BTFQmOELC1fo/xUQ2RuU96YuEVGO5DdvgYik262pJ2cAFe 0fJgBLCRUZh8Iu/XJzyCNiySseh/zLtJsep4c10pfdpL9W29piAiUv+BMu1isEFr+P1JOc i0fw6jqZknYq4cGVE+gU7ICo8Ryxulr8bBeb3Auh07LRvmaKSExGXBP08bzZmw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=p8C3Yf9k; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.46 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=p8C3Yf9k; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4028733B26 X-Spam-Score: -4.46 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: ZP0o3HApfdFT Hi, Brian Cully skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > >> So plain =E2=80=98emacs=E2=80=99 package doesn=E2=80=99t work on Wayland= ? That sounds like >> a >> recipe for a poor user experience, no? > > The mainline Emacs is not Wayland-native, but it (along with just > about everything else) will run fine under XWayland. It's how I've > been running it for some time now. The user experience is almost > indistinguishable from either the =E2=80=98pgtk=E2=80=99 branch or the ma= inline, > X-only branch. > >> (FWIW folks like me who use exwm, ratpoison, or one of these geeky >> tiling window managers probably can=E2=80=99t switch.) > > This is correct, but I don't see why this should prevent Guix offering > the option for Wayland-based compositors/window-managers out of the > box as all it does is offer more options for users. Sure. > Unless I'm misunderstanding something, I don't believe that setting > the =E2=80=98wayland=E2=80=99 flag to #t in gdm-configuration causes Wayl= and to be > used for your desktop environment, it merely *allows* it to be > selected from the greeter. When logging in you can select from Gnome > under X, Gnome under Wayland, or other window managers you may have > installed under either environment. Without that flag only the X11 > window managers will be selectable. OK, I wasn=E2=80=99t aware of that; if setting =E2=80=98wayland?=E2=80=99 t= o #t is this smooth and basically indistinguishable for those who want to stick with X, then I guess we should enable it. I=E2=80=99m still unsure whether doing is before the release is reasonable, given how much we have on our plate. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.