From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms9.migadu.com with LMTPS id gFIYM7saMmTNsAAASxT56A (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 09 Apr 2023 03:54:03 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id iFcQM7saMmQizgAAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 09 Apr 2023 03:54:03 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7475839A1B for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2023 03:54:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1plKFG-0005AJ-GL; Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:53:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1plKFC-00059r-Pr for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:53:26 -0400 Received: from forward500a.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.80]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1plKF8-0001rE-Rq for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:53:26 -0400 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-84.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-84.vla.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0f:26a7:0:640:a2d5:0]) by forward500a.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id C84CD5EA0E; Sun, 9 Apr 2023 04:53:16 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-84.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id FrHxH08DXa60-TEHnj8Vg; Sun, 09 Apr 2023 04:53:16 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ya.ru; s=mail; t=1681005196; bh=PqqcNqRQktTvOXsdsCbXrFvOV2Cyjd41ExjboubrSbk=; h=Message-ID:Date:Cc:In-Reply-To:Subject:References:To:From; b=cOnPsI6fwgWczV6QIFqJOnl8EKtLqUhuP1dDzeteVUi4i8cENpaaxYRnfInD5KqGT 2b69KzhB2/ZUPxNebNOBchqiT4nLLK4zVrkGewpbEDga5k7fUwMvT5qcctF6uHkeOn SHNpioGwmtiZTEmiNEX9SmBZb+Cy0uIZZVIeUZTw= From: Ivan Sokolov To: Bodertz Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: GOOPS-less Shepherd In-Reply-To: <84edou9tgb.fsf@gmail.com> (bodertz@gmail.com's message of "Sat, 08 Apr 2023 11:25:56 -0600") References: <87r0swhilc.fsf@inria.fr> <84edou9tgb.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2023 04:53:09 +0300 Message-ID: <87ttxpn7ne.fsf@ya.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.154.239.80; envelope-from=ivan-p-sokolov@ya.ru; helo=forward500a.mail.yandex.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1681005243; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=mCNoaBN/1+uYID4ZrJj+DHcd7dALR3FcAeCyApWyY2qHODSIpleZiDcRwDp/ltO8DkLduF cGHMZzon17hgCprSDE1O/pTTK4WryrpJdmHXHqcOJ1dJ80AWkHJTAx48Y4jPXgXB03OFc8 z3yQsP/HYyThpmvrSU1j7oqWMB6uIqXNDVv0yZadxPYhdA9T/hMXXjFz3g23Gzc57eFRpz FhER87lOl181uHbrl0G2zOfirrXPsZRNPC2fUAkHTXQ68O+9WWX08zBSzdDkVWSaaRX7Y6 zBaX7MESaO9y4ceZcBKP9ZiRX0E+nEa8Ayl6rUVxftxCwZk3areG+Mdk+8ph+w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=ya.ru header.s=mail header.b=cOnPsI6f; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ya.ru; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1681005243; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=PqqcNqRQktTvOXsdsCbXrFvOV2Cyjd41ExjboubrSbk=; b=X8z5wOrhBuBuc63lIE+AXkVO7SoBEbKp7PDv1FsQodjRwQMJx9BqZ4EYtwKPOS5K5Vm8kx 7gUnD8YIRzfqC9hQ1YJeiCNU2x19+Km9uLa86N6nGRP0AeWtQmRNaMFTxXdirU8WM5yWnZ P8VrBrzrx654pKzW4RYu9XmIwz5ZbOAieb3CNfoqGmQfDY1zjpYP71af9Dq66ocGnkKKed lUmNQ1UKhrs9NVgLJAcpL8MYhYeUMEEGK9bddUgnVSvMmrxIIRWI3JpfH/Ubvq4LsOqk6w mvl26BtSNWud74a81tL//fN4hTYpMX8uvUIUOBKfsl/33b0jHDl2zymAKn+MSA== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.98 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=ya.ru header.s=mail header.b=cOnPsI6f; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ya.ru; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Spam-Score: -4.98 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7475839A1B X-TUID: uAOqgb+y+bye Bodertz writes: > I don't have strong feelings either way, and the change won't really > affect me too much, but what benefit is there in breaking things? From > what I understand from your message, users' configs will stop working in > a few months when 1.0.x releases (or with the macro would "kinda work"), > which is at least a short-term con, so what's the long-term benefit of > this change? Is GOOPS so bad a thing to require? If I understand correctly, that will allow Shepherd to run on GNU Mes, a Scheme interpreter written for Guix bootstraping.