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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.61 X-Spam-Score: -1.61 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0F5A511FA9 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: Gn6XBjalKvNh Hi, On sam., 09 d=C3=A9c. 2023 at 11:54, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wr= ote: > I think this underlines a collective failure to get our act together. I do not consider a collective failure considering the payment for the service. About the maintenance of such service, that=E2=80=99s another question, IMHO. :-) > Anyway, would it be possible for you to transfer billing of the hardware > (Hetzner?) to Guix Foundation? Does Guix Foundation know what it would > cost them? Just to put context about these questions for transferring billing: 1. The initial discussion happened on the private mailing list guix-sysadmin. Board of Guix Foundation had been CC on July 6th. 2. Chris provided billing information on July 14th. Then Andreas answered that it is sustainable for Guix Foundation, potentially with the help of Guix Spending Committee. 3. On July 13th, the Solidary Administration Council of Guix Foundation had been solicited; as specified by Guix Foundation statutes. 4. On September 12th, the SAC voted yes about supporting the financial cost of QA. Moreover, since it is a recurrent cost, some means for collecting money had also been discussed. 5. Then what has been unexpected is the energy that the Board of Guix Foundation invested in resolving an unrelated but blocking situation with our bank. It probably slowed down all the operational part. Well, from my understanding of the Guix Foundation side, all is ready for transferring the current billing and, again from my understanding of the situation, what is missing is the effective operational transfer. Now, some relationships with our bank are smoothed=E2=80=A6 somehow. :-) > The =E2=80=9Cspending committee=E2=80=9D (Tobias, Ricardo, and myself), w= hich oversees > expenditure from the funds held at the FSF, can also be in the loop to > provide additional financial support. Since it is recurrent cost, yes it would nice to discuss between Guix Foundation=E2=80=99s SAC and Spending Committee how to secure the financial support of a recurrent cost. > PS: You=E2=80=99ve done amazing work over the years. As a contributor, I= find > it super reassuring to know that you=E2=80=99re always available and > focused, committed to improving patch workflows for many years. > It=E2=80=99s been a long road already and I admire this level of comm= itment > and hard work. I still remember the first time we met with Chris, it was back on December 2018, right before Reproducible Build Summit in Paris. Chris already presented what could be done for improving the patch workflows. It=E2=80=99s inspiring to see such commitment and hard work over the years. Cheers, simon