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From: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
To: MSavoritias <email@msavoritias.me>
Cc: MSavoritias <email@msavoritias.me>, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Breath, let take a short break :-)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:55:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tthkrhfq.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240622184621.682c3122@fannys.me>

Hi MSavoritias,

This message is not to cut any discussion but maybe it could be helpful
or a bit saner if you refrain to rehash again and again the same to all
messages, replying the same (or almost) to each person expressing
different opinions.

No blame, and I also include myself: being very enthusiastic to defend
ideas and values.  However, a storm of replies is maybe not the best
mean to achieve such defense. :-)

I think people got your points and your opinion, quickly summarized as:

 1. SWH broke “implicit social rules”,
 2. Because of that, Guix must make a clear public “pressure” against SWH.


Let look how the thread looks like:

https://yhetil.org/guix/87a5jfjoey.fsf@gmail.com/T/#rc72a0743026006ee9d4758cfa794df42a9964a55
(or this other one: https://yhetil.org/guix/87il1mupco.fsf@meson/#r)

Then, for what my humble point of view is worth here, I think that your
opinion is maybe not the consensus.  Obviously, the discussion is still
open and your opinion is welcome – yeah obviously welcome! – but maybe
not by replying to all, each time.

You are advocating for a safe place, right?  From my eyes, when I see
the structure of the thread, it does not generate a safe place where
collaboration is encouraged.

My feeling, when I do a step back and look to the structure of the
thread, is that some opinions are silent because it’s hard to have the
space to express them.

Sometimes, a breath is helpful.  Somehow, FWIW, I suggest you to let the
discussion aside, then some days later read again some messages, try to
differently understand what other peers are trying to express, and
comment to few on a fresh mindset.

All opinions are very welcome.  We are all here because we value Free
Software, community, people, etc. and not necessary in that order.  And
that’s very important to be able to express all the diversity.

Again, this message is not a mean to cut any discussion.  Instead, this
message is a call to slow down. :-)

WDYT?

Cheers,
simon


  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-22 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-18  8:37 Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem MSavoritias
2024-06-18 14:19 ` Ian Eure
2024-06-19  8:36   ` Dale Mellor
2024-06-20 17:00     ` Andreas Enge
2024-06-20 18:42       ` Dale Mellor
2024-06-20 20:54         ` Andreas Enge
2024-06-20 20:59           ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-06-20 21:12             ` Andreas Enge
2024-06-21  8:41             ` Dale Mellor
2024-06-21  9:19               ` MSavoritias
2024-06-21 13:33                 ` Luis Felipe
2024-06-21 17:51               ` Exclude checker with package properties [draft PATCH] Simon Tournier
2024-06-21 18:37                 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-06-21 18:44                   ` Simon Tournier
2024-06-21 18:42                 ` Simon Tournier
2024-06-22 15:54                 ` Draft: dry-run + Exclude checker with package properties Simon Tournier
2024-06-20 21:27         ` Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem Simon Tournier
2024-06-18 16:21 ` Greg Hogan
2024-06-18 16:33   ` MSavoritias
2024-06-18 17:31     ` Greg Hogan
2024-06-18 17:57       ` Ian Eure
2024-06-19  7:01       ` MSavoritias
2024-06-19  9:57         ` Efraim Flashner
2024-06-20  2:56         ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-06-20  5:18           ` MSavoritias
2024-06-19 10:10 ` Efraim Flashner
2024-06-21  8:39 ` About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion Simon Tournier
2024-06-21  9:12   ` MSavoritias
2024-06-21  9:46     ` Andreas Enge
2024-06-21 10:44       ` MSavoritias
2024-06-21 13:45         ` Luis Felipe
2024-06-21 14:15           ` MSavoritias
2024-06-21 16:33             ` Luis Felipe
2024-06-21 17:04               ` Msavoritias
2024-06-21 16:34             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2024-06-21 16:51         ` Vagrant Cascadian
2024-06-21 17:22           ` MSavoritias
2024-06-21 20:51             ` Vagrant Cascadian
2024-06-22 15:46               ` MSavoritias
2024-06-22 17:55                 ` Simon Tournier [this message]
2024-06-24  7:30                   ` Breath, let take a short break :-) MSavoritias
2024-06-24 10:23                     ` Tomas Volf
2024-06-24 11:56                     ` Lets cut this off Efraim Flashner
2024-06-21 17:25           ` About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-06-22 13:06         ` Richard Sent
2024-06-22 14:42           ` MSavoritias
2024-06-22 19:53             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2024-06-24  7:55               ` MSavoritias
2024-06-24  9:13                 ` Ricardo Wurmus

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