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Sun, 15 Dec 2024 12:37:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ricardo Wurmus To: Divya Ranjan Cc: Maxim Cournoyer , "Thompson, David" , Ekaitz Zarraga , paul , guix-devel Subject: Re: Guix (and Guile's) promise, and how to (hopefully) get there In-Reply-To: <87plltp9c1.fsf@subvertising.org> (Divya Ranjan's message of "Sun, 15 Dec 2024 09:46:38 +0000") References: <02559f63-35e6-4159-9d4c-e1d423aad3be@elenq.tech> <8b58064321ae06543061ffaa843e4267@libre.brussels> <5e7b06af-96f4-4264-a67f-7b8914b3eab1@elenq.tech> <4379269f-7c17-43be-836c-babf883fd2bf@autistici.org> <206e6eb0-7bc2-4b5b-bf1d-3e016926633a@elenq.tech> <87bjxdxtwd.fsf@gmail.com> <87plltp9c1.fsf@subvertising.org> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.7; emacs 29.4 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 21:37:45 +0100 Message-ID: <87ttb4isx2.fsf@elephly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ZohoMailClient: External Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.143.188.51; envelope-from=rekado@elephly.net; helo=sender4-of-o51.zoho.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.51 X-Spam-Score: -7.51 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AC38A8694D X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: I/9ShP0DxiIL Divya Ranjan writes: > Similarly, I would suggest the thoughts on improving Guix/Guile to > look at aspects of the project where we might not be doing the best > job, or if we can take different steps in terms of reachout. But as an > user and contributor, please don=E2=80=99t take steps to separate Guix fr= om > GNU. It=E2=80=99ll be a considerable loss too both the projects. Some of the parts of GNU that really matter to us as Guix are presented at . The philosophy that was thought up and manifested in the early GNU project is what continues to inform our technical decisions today: e.g. no distinction between admins and users, making software freedom a practical rather than hypothetical freedom, giving people [not just developers] the tools to take charge of their software needs, etc. Those of us who have had the displeasure of dealing with the *organization* that is called GNU (for example in their role as maintainers), however, find it hamstrung by authoritarian governance, dominated by a few loud cranks who are given limitless influence in all internal discussions, and see their work devalued by tonedeaf statements and actions. I'm someone who came to Guix because of Scheme and GNU, but as the years went on I stayed in *spite* of the association with the entity that GNU is now -- luckily, Guix (and with the select links to hackers in other GNU-affiliated projects) is a much better embodiment of the early GNU philosophy than GNU itself. That the GNU-internal mailing list that contributed significantly to this shift has no public archives is both an immeasurable blessing and a curse. --=20 Ricardo