From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id OHJYDMgZoF8mTgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 14:38:00 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id oLZGCMgZoF9EVwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 14:38:00 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC3689401BC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 14:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:44850 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZay6-0008Di-Tz for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:37:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41498) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZaxx-0008Db-FP for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:37:49 -0500 Received: from mugam.systemreboot.net ([139.59.75.54]:51432) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZaxq-00032Q-Jw for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 09:37:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=systemreboot.net; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EVpzIP8cXtcqCZgDVnRvAu/z77GhQ/jy+9Vk5Xnc+eg=; b=pfmto0MDioZX+tvdE+woVnSwm Yrze+lywlHXr1zjrBAPkmAMNzxNyQUXjDmyxDOKEZcCEpGu6FYTK5+sJRCf6O5N4mzT/Ienpn69WQ viqP7dZcQq5cHeTNZ9dX6ndUn7ibKmEmSMxGcRWO4WxYMHNca95ZTsYoY9AAVzR+BnI3iK1VcZduO D99sPPiCb/ehs/PRb62kmdYD97OFfOBIZQWLiVs1+jivbojRBGGJZVHh0oXYEb5v+Ku7B0pEfqqml MYMgW6kVOId/HtTKrVgqYXPB0aK12nIwrmr8ym+H3Uwc9hQ3ArNxMnILkkibOtu5BIankHGyNWiEH 73SgBN9hg==; Received: from [192.168.2.1] (helo=steel) by systemreboot.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1kZaur-002D2b-M9 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 20:04:37 +0530 From: Arun Isaac To: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Etymology of derivation In-Reply-To: References: <87v9eolvwy.fsf@systemreboot.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 20:07:28 +0530 Message-ID: <87sg9rlt93.fsf@systemreboot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=139.59.75.54; envelope-from=arunisaac@systemreboot.net; helo=mugam.systemreboot.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/02 09:37:35 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=systemreboot.net header.s=default header.b=pfmto0MD; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=systemreboot.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-TUID: f/tUghrY+LAy --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you all for your inputs! The original Nix publication was helpful. On page 22 of the full thesis, it says: =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Derivation is Nix-speak for a component build action, which derives the component from its inputs. =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Direct loan words similar to "derivasyon" are possible. But, they would be a last resort. =E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B4=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=A4=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=A4=E0= =AF=8B=E0=AE=A9=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B1=E0=AE=B2=E0=AF=8D is surprisingly good, b= ut I think I'll construct a calque along the lines of "build-message". That seems to be the most meaningful approach. It's probably too much trouble now, but even in English, it would help to have something more descriptive than "derivation". I remember struggling with the term when first introduced to Guix. "build-message" would have been much more self-descriptive. 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