From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id cdewE27cjWAxSwEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 02 May 2021 00:55:42 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id yDzODm7cjWDZFwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 01 May 2021 22:55:42 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEFEA1B65E for ; Sun, 2 May 2021 00:55:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46016 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcyWT-0008BX-1J for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 18:55:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51912) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcyWJ-0008AN-CZ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 18:55:31 -0400 Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:59004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcyWH-00027g-I2; Sat, 01 May 2021 18:55:30 -0400 Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lcyWE-0000Ru-4g; Sat, 01 May 2021 18:55:26 -0400 From: Mark H Weaver To: Leo Prikler , Giovanni Biscuolo , Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: Criticisms of my "tone" (was Re: A "cosmetic changes" commit that removes security fixes) In-Reply-To: <87wnsije63.fsf@netris.org> References: <87tunz11mf.fsf@netris.org> <87y2daz13x.fsf@netris.org> <87r1j2z079.fsf@netris.org> <87a6pqypf9.fsf@netris.org> <87wnsp7yo9.fsf@gnu.org> <87v986pdej.fsf@netris.org> <874kfm75fl.fsf@biscuolo.net> <1bbb100c34c660eaa697ae7ea9ea7ea3638c4c50.camel@student.tugraz.at> <87wnsije63.fsf@netris.org> Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 18:54:38 -0400 Message-ID: <87sg36jc8m.fsf@netris.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.112.178.59; envelope-from=mhw@netris.org; helo=world.peace.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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Maybe Mark intended to be >>> harsh, maybe not: who knows? Is /this/ (finding he was harsh) >>> important? >> It is definitely of some importance. > > I agree that it's of some importance, but it's also a fundamentally hard > thing to do. Sorry, what I meant to write above was "it's also fundamentally hard to anticipate the 'tone' that others will attribute to my writing." > I'm genuinely surprised by some of the claims being made > about my messages, especially the claim that I assumed "bad faith". I > didn't say anything to imply that, I didn't think it, and I still don't. > > Thanks for discussing this, Leo. I appreciate your feedback, even where > we disagree. Regards, Mark -- Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about .