* Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
@ 2021-08-29 9:09 Mathieu Othacehe
2021-08-29 15:16 ` Maxim Cournoyer
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From: Mathieu Othacehe @ 2021-08-29 9:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
Hello,
The Guix website now offers Pinebook Pro Guix System images[1]. Those
images can be directly copied on a micro-SD card and booted from. More
details here[2].
Thanks,
Mathieu
[1]: https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/latest/
[2]: https://othacehe.org/distributing-guix-system-pinebook-pro-images.html.
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-29 9:09 Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images Mathieu Othacehe
@ 2021-08-29 15:16 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-08-29 20:15 ` Vagrant Cascadian
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From: Maxim Cournoyer @ 2021-08-29 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Othacehe; +Cc: guix-devel
Hi Mathieu,
Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org> writes:
> Hello,
>
> The Guix website now offers Pinebook Pro Guix System images[1]. Those
> images can be directly copied on a micro-SD card and booted from. More
> details here[2].
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mathieu
>
> [1]: https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/latest/
> [2]: https://othacehe.org/distributing-guix-system-pinebook-pro-images.html.
Very neat! Well done!
Maxim
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-29 9:09 Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images Mathieu Othacehe
2021-08-29 15:16 ` Maxim Cournoyer
@ 2021-08-29 20:15 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2021-08-29 20:41 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2021-08-30 11:00 ` Efraim Flashner
2021-08-30 9:52 ` Mathieu Othacehe
2021-08-30 14:37 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
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From: Vagrant Cascadian @ 2021-08-29 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Othacehe, guix-devel
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On 2021-08-29, Mathieu Othacehe wrote:
> The Guix website now offers Pinebook Pro Guix System images[1]. Those
> images can be directly copied on a micro-SD card and booted from. More
> details here[2].
It seems like I need to write up a hybrid pinebook/pinebook-pro
bootloader definition, then that image could support *two* whole
platforms. :)
It also shouldn't be *too* hard to add support for UEFI too...
Started a discussion about this in June:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2021-06/msg00036.html
And recently gave a talk describing this approach for Debian:
https://salsa.debian.org/vagrant/two-pinebooks-walk-into-a-bar
https://debconf21.debconf.org/talks/88-two-pinebooks-walk-into-a-bar/
Not sure how soon the video will be available, but the talk had
technical difficulties at the start, so I hope to get a chance to do it
all over again someday. :)
live well,
vagrant
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-29 20:15 ` Vagrant Cascadian
@ 2021-08-29 20:41 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2021-08-30 11:07 ` Efraim Flashner
2021-08-30 11:00 ` Efraim Flashner
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From: Vagrant Cascadian @ 2021-08-29 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Othacehe, guix-devel
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On 2021-08-29, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> On 2021-08-29, Mathieu Othacehe wrote:
>> The Guix website now offers Pinebook Pro Guix System images[1]. Those
>> images can be directly copied on a micro-SD card and booted from. More
>> details here[2].
>
> It seems like I need to write up a hybrid pinebook/pinebook-pro
> bootloader definition, then that image could support *two* whole
> platforms. :)
Something like this, but that is valid guile and actually works :)
diff --git a/gnu/bootloader/u-boot.scm b/gnu/bootloader/u-boot.scm
index 6cad33b741..325618c5c5 100644
--- a/gnu/bootloader/u-boot.scm
+++ b/gnu/bootloader/u-boot.scm
@@ -127,6 +127,28 @@
(define install-pinebook-pro-rk3399-u-boot install-rockpro64-rk3399-u-boot)
+(define install-pinebook-and-pinebook-pro-u-boot
+ ;; Install bootloaders for both pinebook pro and pinebook at compatible
+ ;; offsets.
+ ;;
+ ;; pinebook pro
+ #~(lambda (bootloader-pinebook-pro root-index image)
+ (let ((idb (string-append bootloader-pinebook-pro "/libexec/idbloader.img"))
+ (u-boot (string-append bootloader-pinebook-pro "/libexec/u-boot.itb")))
+ ;; Use alternate offset of 2112 to avoid conflicts with pinebook
+ (write-file-on-device idb (stat:size (stat idb))
+ image (* 2112 512))
+ (write-file-on-device u-boot (stat:size (stat u-boot))
+ image (* 16384 512))))
+ ;; pinebook
+ #~(lambda (bootloader-pinebook root-index image)
+ (let ((spl (string-append bootloader-pinebook "/libexec/u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin"))
+ (u-boot (string-append bootloader-pinebook "/libexec/u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.fit.itb")))
+ (write-file-on-device spl (stat:size (stat spl))
+ image (* 8 1024))
+ (write-file-on-device u-boot (stat:size (stat u-boot))
+ image (* 40 1024)))))
+
\f
;;;
@@ -255,3 +277,9 @@
(inherit u-boot-bootloader)
(package u-boot-pinebook-pro-rk3399)
(disk-image-installer install-pinebook-pro-rk3399-u-boot)))
+
+(define u-boot-pinebook-and-pinebook-pro-bootloader
+ (bootloader
+ (inherit u-boot-bootloader)
+ (packages '(u-boot-pinebook-pro-rk3399 u-boot-pinebook))
+ (disk-image-installer install-pinebook-and-pinebook-pro-uboot)))
live well,
vagrant
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-29 9:09 Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images Mathieu Othacehe
2021-08-29 15:16 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-08-29 20:15 ` Vagrant Cascadian
@ 2021-08-30 9:52 ` Mathieu Othacehe
2021-08-30 14:01 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2021-08-30 14:37 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
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From: Mathieu Othacehe @ 2021-08-30 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: guix-devel
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Hello,
I managed to build a Guix System image with the Sway WM for the Pinebook
Pro. The image is quite large (~6GiB) but it is bootable and works fine.
Here are the steps I followed:
* I built a cross-compiled barebones Pinebook Pro image as described in
my previous email.
* I used that image to turn the Pinebook Pro into an offload machine.
* From my main x86_64 machine, I ran the following command:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
guix system image ~/tmp/pinebook.scm -s aarch64-linux
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
The pinebook.scm file is attached.
* I flashed the image and booted from it, exactly like for the
cross-compiled image.
This is an interesting first step as generating desktop images for ARM
devices is really convenient.
Using the ARM machine as an offload machine to build a native ARM image
from an Intel machine is less convenient though. I would really like to
be able to build this same image using cross-compilation. The recent
series sent by Maxime are making this goal more realistic.
Thanks,
Mathieu
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;;; GNU Guix --- Functional package management for GNU
;;; Copyright © 2020 Mathieu Othacehe <m.othacehe@gmail.com>
;;;
;;; This file is part of GNU Guix.
;;;
;;; GNU Guix is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
;;; under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 3 of the License, or (at
;;; your option) any later version.
;;;
;;; GNU Guix is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
;;; WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
;;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;
;;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;;; along with GNU Guix. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
(define-module (gnu system images pinebook-pro)
#:use-module (gnu bootloader)
#:use-module (gnu bootloader u-boot)
#:use-module (gnu image)
#:use-module (gnu packages certs)
#:use-module (gnu packages freedesktop)
#:use-module (gnu packages linux)
#:use-module (gnu packages wm)
#:use-module (gnu packages xorg)
#:use-module (gnu services)
#:use-module (gnu services avahi)
#:use-module (gnu services base)
#:use-module (gnu services desktop)
#:use-module (gnu services networking)
#:use-module (gnu services sddm)
#:use-module (gnu services ssh)
#:use-module (gnu services xorg)
#:use-module (gnu system)
#:use-module (gnu system file-systems)
#:use-module (gnu system image)
#:use-module (gnu system shadow)
#:use-module (guix download)
#:use-module (guix gexp)
#:use-module (guix packages)
#:use-module (guix utils)
#:use-module (nongnu packages linux)
#:use-module (srfi srfi-1)
#:use-module (srfi srfi-26)
#:export (pinebook-pro-desktop-os
pinebook-pro-image-type
pinebook-pro-desktop-raw-image))
(define pinebook-pro-desktop-os
(operating-system
(host-name "viso")
(timezone "Europe/Paris")
(locale "en_US.utf8")
(bootloader (bootloader-configuration
(bootloader u-boot-pinebook-pro-rk3399-bootloader)
(target "/dev/vda")))
(initrd-modules '())
(kernel linux-libre-arm64-generic)
(users (cons* (user-account
(name "mathieu")
(comment "Mathieu")
(group "users")
(home-directory "/home/mathieu")
(supplementary-groups
'("wheel" "netdev" "audio" "video")))
%base-user-accounts))
(file-systems (cons (file-system
(device (file-system-label "my-root"))
(mount-point "/")
(type "ext4"))
%base-file-systems))
(packages (cons* sway xterm nss-certs
%base-packages))
(services (cons* (service agetty-service-type
(agetty-configuration
(extra-options '("-L")) ; no carrier detect
(baud-rate "1500000")
(term "vt100")
(tty "ttyS2")))
(service openssh-service-type
(openssh-configuration
(permit-root-login 'without-password)
(authorized-keys
`(("mathieu"
,(local-file
"/home/mathieu/.ssh/id_rsa.pub"))))))
(service dhcp-client-service-type)
(sddm-service
(sddm-configuration
(display-server "wayland")))
(modify-services
(remove
(lambda (service)
(member (service-kind service)
(list ntp-service-type
avahi-service-type
bluetooth-service
network-manager-service-type
gdm-service-type)))
%desktop-services)
(guix-service-type
config =>
(guix-configuration
(inherit config)
(authorized-keys
(append (list
(local-file "/home/mathieu/.config/guix/keys/meije.scm"))
%default-authorized-guix-keys)))) )))))
(define pinebook-pro-image-type
(image-type
(name 'pinebook-pro-raw)
(constructor (cut image-with-os
(arm64-disk-image (* 9 (expt 2 20))) ;9MiB
<>))))
(define pinebook-pro-desktop-raw-image
(image
(inherit
(os->image pinebook-pro-desktop-os #:type pinebook-pro-image-type))
(name 'pinebook-pro-desktop-raw-image)
(target #f)))
;; Return the default image.
pinebook-pro-desktop-raw-image
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-29 20:15 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2021-08-29 20:41 ` Vagrant Cascadian
@ 2021-08-30 11:00 ` Efraim Flashner
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From: Efraim Flashner @ 2021-08-30 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vagrant Cascadian; +Cc: guix-devel, Mathieu Othacehe
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 01:15:40PM -0700, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> On 2021-08-29, Mathieu Othacehe wrote:
> > The Guix website now offers Pinebook Pro Guix System images[1]. Those
> > images can be directly copied on a micro-SD card and booted from. More
> > details here[2].
>
> It seems like I need to write up a hybrid pinebook/pinebook-pro
> bootloader definition, then that image could support *two* whole
> platforms. :)
>
> It also shouldn't be *too* hard to add support for UEFI too...
>
>
> Started a discussion about this in June:
>
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2021-06/msg00036.html
>
>
> And recently gave a talk describing this approach for Debian:
>
> https://salsa.debian.org/vagrant/two-pinebooks-walk-into-a-bar
> https://debconf21.debconf.org/talks/88-two-pinebooks-walk-into-a-bar/
>
> Not sure how soon the video will be available, but the talk had
> technical difficulties at the start, so I hope to get a chance to do it
> all over again someday. :)
>
The videos are already up here
https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2021/DebConf21/
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-29 20:41 ` Vagrant Cascadian
@ 2021-08-30 11:07 ` Efraim Flashner
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From: Efraim Flashner @ 2021-08-30 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vagrant Cascadian; +Cc: guix-devel, Mathieu Othacehe
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 01:41:06PM -0700, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> On 2021-08-29, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> > On 2021-08-29, Mathieu Othacehe wrote:
> >> The Guix website now offers Pinebook Pro Guix System images[1]. Those
> >> images can be directly copied on a micro-SD card and booted from. More
> >> details here[2].
> >
> > It seems like I need to write up a hybrid pinebook/pinebook-pro
> > bootloader definition, then that image could support *two* whole
> > platforms. :)
>
> Something like this, but that is valid guile and actually works :)
I've been looking at this a bit since I'm actually nearing the point of
having something to write for the HiFive Unmatched. write-file-on-device
can be called multiple times, we've only needed it twice for all the
other cases though.
> diff --git a/gnu/bootloader/u-boot.scm b/gnu/bootloader/u-boot.scm
> index 6cad33b741..325618c5c5 100644
> --- a/gnu/bootloader/u-boot.scm
> +++ b/gnu/bootloader/u-boot.scm
> @@ -127,6 +127,28 @@
>
> (define install-pinebook-pro-rk3399-u-boot install-rockpro64-rk3399-u-boot)
>
> +(define install-pinebook-and-pinebook-pro-u-boot
> + ;; Install bootloaders for both pinebook pro and pinebook at compatible
> + ;; offsets.
> + ;;
> + ;; pinebook pro
> + #~(lambda (bootloader-pinebook-pro root-index image)
> + (let ((idb (string-append bootloader-pinebook-pro "/libexec/idbloader.img"))
> + (u-boot (string-append bootloader-pinebook-pro "/libexec/u-boot.itb")))
> + ;; Use alternate offset of 2112 to avoid conflicts with pinebook
> + (write-file-on-device idb (stat:size (stat idb))
> + image (* 2112 512))
> + (write-file-on-device u-boot (stat:size (stat u-boot))
> + image (* 16384 512))))
> + ;; pinebook
> + #~(lambda (bootloader-pinebook root-index image)
> + (let ((spl (string-append bootloader-pinebook "/libexec/u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin"))
> + (u-boot (string-append bootloader-pinebook "/libexec/u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.fit.itb")))
> + (write-file-on-device spl (stat:size (stat spl))
> + image (* 8 1024))
> + (write-file-on-device u-boot (stat:size (stat u-boot))
> + image (* 40 1024)))))
This could probably be (very untested)
(define install-pinebook-and-pinebook-pro-u-boot
;; Install bootloaders for both the pinebook and pinebook pro at compatible
;; offsets.
#~(lambda (bootloader-pinebook-pro root-index image)
(let ((spl (string-append bootloader-pinebook "/libexec/u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin"))
(u-boot (string-append bootloader-pinebook "/libexec/u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.fit.itb"))
(idb (string-append bootloader-pinebook-pro "/libexec/idbloader.img"))
(u-boot-pro (string-append bootloader-pinebook-pro "/libexec/u-boot.itb")))
(write-file-on-device spl (stat:size (stat spl))
image (* 8 1024))
(write-file-on-device u-boot (stat:size (stat u-boot))
image (* 40 1024))
;; Use alternate offset of 2112 to avoid conflicts with pinebook
(write-file-on-device idb (stat:size (stat idb))
image (* 2112 512))
(write-file-on-device u-boot (stat:size (stat u-boot-pro))
image (* 16384 512)))))
>
>
> ;;;
> @@ -255,3 +277,9 @@
> (inherit u-boot-bootloader)
> (package u-boot-pinebook-pro-rk3399)
> (disk-image-installer install-pinebook-pro-rk3399-u-boot)))
> +
> +(define u-boot-pinebook-and-pinebook-pro-bootloader
> + (bootloader
> + (inherit u-boot-bootloader)
not sure what to do with this one though
> + (packages '(u-boot-pinebook-pro-rk3399 u-boot-pinebook))
> + (disk-image-installer install-pinebook-and-pinebook-pro-uboot)))
>
>
> live well,
> vagrant
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-30 9:52 ` Mathieu Othacehe
@ 2021-08-30 14:01 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2021-08-30 14:52 ` Mathieu Othacehe
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Vagrant Cascadian @ 2021-08-30 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Othacehe, guix-devel
On 2021-08-30, Mathieu Othacehe wrote:
> I managed to build a Guix System image with the Sway WM for the Pinebook
> Pro. The image is quite large (~6GiB) but it is bootable and works fine.
I wonder how much diskspace savings you might get by leaving out the
display manager... I typically just login from the console and run "exec
sway". I *think* the last image I generated for that was more like 2GB,
though my memory is fallable, and maybe misses various other standard
desktop packages (e.g. web browser).
> The pinebook.scm file is attached.
(initrd-modules '())
(kernel linux-libre-arm64-generic)
I have since figured out how to use the regular "linux-libre" kernel and
which modules to add to the initrd... I'll try to dig those up.
> This is an interesting first step as generating desktop images for ARM
> devices is really convenient.
Indeed!
> Using the ARM machine as an offload machine to build a native ARM image
> from an Intel machine is less convenient though. I would really like to
> be able to build this same image using cross-compilation. The recent
> series sent by Maxime are making this goal more realistic.
Have fully native builds been fixed yet with "guix system image" ? That
has been a blocker forme from trying it out. I haven't been booting my
x86 guix installation lately, mostly just using the pinebook pro, so it
is ironic I haven't been able to make a pinebook pro image. :)
live well,
vagrant
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-29 9:09 Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images Mathieu Othacehe
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2021-08-30 9:52 ` Mathieu Othacehe
@ 2021-08-30 14:37 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
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From: Katherine Cox-Buday @ 2021-08-30 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Othacehe; +Cc: guix-devel
Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org> writes:
> The Guix website now offers Pinebook Pro Guix System images[1].
Awesome news! Thanks to all involved!
--
Katherine
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-30 14:01 ` Vagrant Cascadian
@ 2021-08-30 14:52 ` Mathieu Othacehe
2021-08-30 19:13 ` André A. Gomes
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Othacehe @ 2021-08-30 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vagrant Cascadian; +Cc: guix-devel
Hello Vagrant,
> I wonder how much diskspace savings you might get by leaving out the
> display manager... I typically just login from the console and run "exec
> sway". I *think* the last image I generated for that was more like 2GB,
> though my memory is fallable, and maybe misses various other standard
> desktop packages (e.g. web browser).
Yeah SDDM drags Xorg between other things, I could definitely get rid of
it.
> I have since figured out how to use the regular "linux-libre" kernel and
> which modules to add to the initrd... I'll try to dig those up.
That would be nice. I also came across to the issue you reported here:
https://issues.guix.gnu.org/48266. We definitely need to do something
about it. Building this initrd modules list is quite painful. I'll try
to think about it.
> Have fully native builds been fixed yet with "guix system image" ? That
> has been a blocker forme from trying it out. I haven't been booting my
> x86 guix installation lately, mostly just using the pinebook pro, so it
> is ironic I haven't been able to make a pinebook pro image. :)
Hehe, that's a shame indeed. I'm working on it as a follow-up of
https://issues.guix.gnu.org/45020. I'll propose a patch soon.
Thanks,
Mathieu
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* Re: Distributing Guix System Pinebook Pro images
2021-08-30 14:52 ` Mathieu Othacehe
@ 2021-08-30 19:13 ` André A. Gomes
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: André A. Gomes @ 2021-08-30 19:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathieu Othacehe; +Cc: Vagrant Cascadian, guix-devel
Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org> writes:
> Yeah SDDM drags Xorg between other things, I could definitely get rid of
> it.
Theoretically, it would be possible to write a SDDM service supporting
wayland only AFAIK. But if you'll only use sway, it makes little sense
to have a login manager indeed.
--
André A. Gomes
"Free Thought, Free World"
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