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To begin, thank you for your work on GNU! I use Guix package manager (manually installed) atop Debian bullseye. My Emacs is from Guix package emacs-next with a package transformation option to pull from current Git master. When I tried to use the new emoji commands on the "C-x 8e" prefix, I was getting an error message (sorry for not having written it down) mentioning transient. I solved it by modifying Guix recipes to not pull emacs-transient as propagated input of some Emacs packages I installed via Guix. So, why do many Emacs packages still pull emacs-transient, when Guix has Emacs version 28.1, which has Transient built-in? This redundancy wastes (a little bit of) bandwidth, install time and disk space, and, worse, causes errors. Regards -- - Many people hate injustice but few check the facts; this causes more injustice. Ask me about - I am Brazilian. I hope my English is correct and I welcome feedback. - https://www.defectivebydesign.org - https://www.gnu.org