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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1657124815; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=0kIgiNRBljAl1LtKVUMBcxICpH1su7HjRd3+K3QazA4=; b=B+2k7YtK4ijvGX+lsjn2BspOB1WbUByfyeiJEGLcydEKTWCrjnxS275Hx4PD7y5Y0Bi176 YLhGK46svH6vMLQ+fob99+o9VsUmTtkSBxq2jTkoKDEFa99Oi7Vy65CPGB3rQPn3i27e0a zLjwS/bMHOartxLUzezGkFKC0j7vhlkH6qIUmnFw0cmMpuc5X6F1xd1MTkJBCFCvjLTl+j IogluK06GqTgEFv0wG/L2oaWNsywMjsGPV/c4jNWFi9K76YC5ZBCMlscJ1gH/UoT5uCJ6L 0INF2IRxE2foY+ZsLexTaMevZfTX6xhtLe70XrZaVSzTUaZshZnV74RbGB+9HA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1657124815; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=GmhKN5sLT/xv3MW8LApgXRIhMNOquni/mRXzxZ/JywfbnrrUi+4spOXZktIhsscCKlCq2G o6rJldrSPJvHuyx0kx9+H/f1si5lFElBP94WKm5XtDcU0C59BXja5AT32JR66IyvrlL7Zl eE7HHD8u2Ntd+9le+TWOvR4EcAybHQq+AzY26DynFt1Tx0MOjFTDasLKeb8VJ0RFQDRx1j vvi2VMDqTs3jBenUxJV8CQLX3E9D4CTxN2xFK/5gKZvN99LHp1b7BEgQtJZyekzW1ZQNFC w/HCBchV+gXoy39tekdz9QU+Lx95UIqpiuUIWPO8Wea9+CQRmuLGEv3eAqmLXw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=kjdLVtaR; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.55 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=kjdLVtaR; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E6B8D2DAE6 X-Spam-Score: -5.55 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: R9L5XKDe0WwM --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Hi, > > Akib Azmain Turja skribis: > >>> (During that time, interested readers can also take a stab at improving >>> support for the Hurd, which relies on that revolutionary technology >>> called =E2=80=9Caddress spaces=E2=80=9D to ensure Memory Safety=E2=84= =A2 among other things!) >>> >>> Ludo=E2=80=99. >>> >> >> Why "address spaces" is a revolutionary technology? All kernels (except >> the "Hello, World!" ones) use it. > > That was an ironic remark from my part. Virtual memory management and > address spaces are not revolutionary at all: that=E2=80=99s how we protect > processes from stomping onto each other=E2=80=99s toes since the 70=E2=80= =99s. > > If the goal really is to improve OS reliability through a > multi-person-year effort, then I believe pouring that effort into a > microkernel-based design would be more fruitful. My 2=C2=A2! > > Ludo=E2=80=99. I agree, but it's very hard because the hardware vendors tend to keep things secret, and unfortunately there isn't enough people interested in Hurd. =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja This message is signed by me with my GnuPG key. 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