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In-Reply-To: <8634zrpt40.fsf@gmail.com> Organization: Xelera.eu References: <20230827135726.y33t55w4cvq6zsvb@X-kone> <874jkift8v.fsf@gmail.com> <867cp4sj7k.fsf@gmail.com> <38242808-2f06-4674-3842-aea1a5378d05@gmail.com> <86v8cop6sy.fsf@gmail.com> <8634zrpt40.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2023 12:25:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87sf7pdksf.fsf@xelera.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=46.4.214.66; envelope-from=g@xelera.eu; helo=ns13.heimat.it X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BF3C25C55E X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.33 X-Spam-Score: -4.33 X-TUID: udIBPvsS4RDM --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! Simon Tournier writes: [...] > For example, we communicate in English. It appears to me impossible to > send a contribution without having some basic knowledge of English. And, believe me or not, for me /that/ is a **significant** cognitive overhead not just to contribute to international projects [1] (including our company internal projects), but also to efficiently communicate in international mailing lists like this one. For me (actually for all) using a natural language, especially a foreign one, is a constant hack! :-) [...] > What is the thing that will tell me that the English I wrote is not > meeting the standard? > Why do we accept this =E2=80=9Cfriction=E2=80=9D about English filtering = people? > > Well, I am stretching a bit to make my point. :-) Yes, it's a stretch but IMO it helps making the poing about the sources of friction when participating in discussions and trying to contribute to a "crowded" international project, with people with very different competences in English language, including technical English, programming languages **and** tools. [...] >> In the US, the phrase "I don't buy it" is usually the response to=20 >> someone trying to trick you into something. This is a little hurtful=20 >> because it's either saying: > > Sorry, it was not my intent. I was expressing: I do not believe it is > *the* real problem. (Let me use some humor please) The frinction here comes from the fact that all natural languages suck, no one sucks less :-O The 5th definition of the transitive verb "buy" taken from Merriam-Webster is: =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- 5: ACCEPT, BELIEVE I don't buy that hooey. =E2=80=94 often used with into buy into a compromise =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- So AFAIU "I don't buy it" means "I dont's [accept|believe] it": no? ...but maybe the Merriam-Webster is too British :-D [...] Happy haking! Gio' [1] have you an idea of the time I spend to translate concepts to be expressed in commit message in English? Why I cannot just write in my very good Italian and "git send-email" happily? =2D-=20 Giovanni Biscuolo Xelera IT Infrastructures --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJABAEBCgAqFiEERcxjuFJYydVfNLI5030Op87MORIFAmT69oAMHGdAeGVsZXJh LmV1AAoJENN9DqfOzDkSSLEQAK46JpGSf4c0bakdgCr/a8JxuPRjh0pws40lU5JM udYHi3fZDtr7+YVY8km0xfZg8HQszGv/7zMgAsEp7+JSMNb5XaKmDSvVzvnB3kd0 pkxNBwPMSPPVhl2dixrPzikMXQEnydc2cfqBJ06v1TfV08U6U8tYUgezGKd7f8jl BIzp5Kk2uFrR2dPSJ8BcspzV+94ACNN4Z9KEyiab6/Zsr32hbbHbkGi1Zlxj+Kys WBK8NwSa3OGrWtR0gacW9XU1r+yeTkgVqyozWzl3oDF/cJIYIlPjdSGMfiE2Il4z 6N/rWghBRrN44zOni4Do/Tupf3J8mDeR39Tuo78MCnpjcA/ZE3mNjT59yYzGDARi NIrR/3KqEDSqAXHGgD+32Fm5rP5okiBKpg3U4R4uI50C5LDCMHSvHZFBjvHyFcpi M8JG3kZu9AE/Nihc68IOrYbsS6m5O0ZRJng5EkvRjI5kL2b/yaRHpQdYbFbVTuVt YwrcKYaxJbex/EBFSY7IREpUl3Y8ubNRtBg+EWtap2WFoXNhNOsXt85Q2W/eobFY MnrdvUaDDFB0KsxEB+SBZxLzx+Rw2ZKpaAitKVf1lJzxga7RDAqrxRM3tfjkyjrF aE2b987QCJFsCOPDh0pjQvkt9DrWS8C2jQXcRvy2FrXAQt/twBe10fP6OoVfSiKy yWXu =0+gD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--