From: Nicolas Graves via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." <guix-devel@gnu.org>
To: Jelle Licht <jlicht@fsfe.org>, Timothy Sample <samplet@ngyro.com>,
guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Non-bootstrappable NPM packages
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 00:25:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sf1mg1lb.fsf@ngraves.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sf1nyn26.fsf@fsfe.org>
On 2024-02-20 20:04, Jelle Licht wrote:
> Nicolas Graves <ngraves@ngraves.fr> writes:
>
>> On 2019-07-24 15:41, Jelle Licht wrote:
>>
>>> Timothy Sample <samplet@ngyro.com> writes:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> I’ve come to think that bootstrapping JavaScript might be easier than it
>>>> looks. As time goes on, Node gets better at the newer JavaScript
>>>> features. This removes the need for things like Babel or Rollup, since
>>>> with some care, Node can run the source directly with out any
>>>> transformations or bundling. That being said, TypeScript looks to be a
>>>> major issue, as it is used in many fundamental JavaScript packages and
>>>> it is not bootstrappable.
>>>
>>> Very recently (IE about 94 minutes ago), I found out something
>>> interesting that might be helpful; Sucrase[0] is, among other things, a
>>> typescript transpiler that does not do any type checking, and it only
>>> has some runtime dependencies.
>>>
>>> I created some “fiio”-packages as well [1] , and I have confirmed that
>>> it actually works! My next step was of course to compile TypeScript
>>> proper, and this worked with one tiny snag that I reported at [2]. After
>>> manually fixing these problems in the TypeScript source tree, I was able
>>> to transpile the TypeScript sources using guix-packaged
>>> `node-sucrase-bootstrap'.
>>
>> Hi Jelle!
>>
>> Did someone made some progress on the build-system since that to allow
>> for this to be taken into account? If you still have it, could you share
>> your "fiio" packages once again? The paste link is expired. Thanks!
>
> I don't have them anymore, but I could re-generate them.
> Are you still interested, or am I too slow in responding, and are your
> other node-related emails more relevant by now?
I was going the esbuild route instead of the sucrase one, so that's not
a need anymore. Both are viable however, this choice is
questionnable. There are the packages from Wojtek in answer to this
email that also bootstrap sucrase, so don't bother ;)
I feel tests / native-inputs for Node is a bigger issue than the one of
bundlers now.
>
> KR,
> - Jelle
>
--
Best regards,
Nicolas Graves
prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-02-20 23:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-07-24 13:23 Non-bootstrappable NPM packages Timothy Sample
2019-07-24 13:41 ` Jelle Licht
2019-07-24 17:06 ` Timothy Sample
2024-02-08 0:44 ` Nicolas Graves via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-02-08 2:11 ` Timothy Sample
2024-02-20 19:04 ` Jelle Licht
2024-02-20 19:17 ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-02-20 23:25 ` Nicolas Graves via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. [this message]
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