From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Mikhail Kryshen Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 06:55:26 +0300 Message-ID: <87r23h9u4x.fsf@home.localdomain> References: <87ftk4hbhu.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9swwp1v.fsf@e6230.localdomain> <87lftsp7an.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33755) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJV9Q-0001f0-UU for Guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 00:06:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJUyx-0004nP-VM for Guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:55:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87lftsp7an.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: Guix-devel , gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org, GNU Guix maintainers --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Hi Mikhail, > > Mikhail Kryshen skribis: > >> I'm deeply disappointed to see this. I always thought that the free >> software community have strong and independent culture, and it's very >> sad to see GNU maintainers, for whose work I have great respect, fall >> for the moral panic that is being spread by news and social media > > [...] > >> This leads to dissolution of the free software culture and its >> ethical values with the influence of media and corporations that are >> hostile towards software freedom. > > I respectfully think that your interpretation is incorrect. > > Keep in mind that each of the signatories has typically more than 10 > years of experience as developer or maintainer of GNU (more than that > for some.) They have dedicated a large part of their life to that, and > they have worked a lot with GNU and RMS. So it really isn=E2=80=99t abou= t what > =E2=80=9Cthe media=E2=80=9D said last week or the week before. Is it true then, that you intentionally and knowingly tried to take advantage of the dishonest media attack on RMS and of its consequences? Otherwise, how else would you explain the timing of your action? For now I'd rather stick to my interpretation of you acting under moral panic, as it is the least bad one. > Perhaps you find our decision hard to understand, or perhaps you > disagree with it, but remember that we have a different perspective. > > RMS created GNU, but GNU has long expanded beyond RMS, and free software > has expanded way beyond GNU, too. We must keep it striving and reach > out to those who=E2=80=99ve not yet joined us to share the software! I share your values, I too want our community to be welcoming, inclusive and harassment-free. The problem is not with the values you are trying to defend, but with your methods. First the introduction of CoC and then publication of the statement promoted fear, tension and hatred in the community, alienated potential users and contributors, gave further rise to moral panics (both "SJW" and anti-SJW, as you can see in the discussions that followed) and made us more vulnerable to hostile manipulation, as people under any moral panic are easily weaponized against others (this is being widely used in politics all over the world). For a year now I've been promoting Guix at my university, and I'm supporting it on close to a hundred of workstations there, it's too late to back out, but I would not have started it today and probably would have restrained myself to only using Guix on my own computer just for technical curiosity, because my confidence in the future of GNU and Guix is shaken, and the community does not look welcoming any more. =2D- Mikhail --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEEw6yVFU/UQfkLWikDzxz0c4HWsG4FAl2ioDIACgkQzxz0c4HW sG4mUQwAkmDnVuzxysROmFQdx5ib1ol2lAXF6v1SkjGH66Y+ItVqov6pQsatbvmT 4TNPqMwiLD/zP1+SZ5P1euiKZ/B1qdJpOs3zsXlFZP1B8ADqZ3a7WcJ1bDGv+qAU 7+r8YfCF8C0f/hR79KjTbTB4bZVXqynmOyg7GZ6x2EBVR0lPfw/BmbQw0Dfu2bw1 yL3jRdaBgklab24wkir11EOE7SoCvgkz3r3rgCVXDfTiN/oZ9QqKJG/oLqwXisOo hHy7Bs9mWoCtu+yG4UpcyxTyP7cI1Qu+Dd2z+bqyy/1n2vNAUG3Xduq8reNio3Qw VzDTHDccSAqztgOKcCdVh1KCyn7KljunSAeaDoTDSo4/Zf3y6UOsJVpL+e7FqwXv hL6X9wEflt1HZBuzijJCXwErLK7NQnmdnZxeLaUhoqMJWpyRu8AkoqZEMCz0MJS9 wvMGd2BTCWKI6CRCIXnqTZVAhcuJjnUyISYTimxP6HxCE09s8V94ABuUGvz6sMsZ Ed59CHx3 =2InN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--