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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621501335; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=aqt8OT2h49HrzOr1DDMmQPNvf5PvNGtoE6HNjJiosFg=; b=LIhzYJiFMmpznZs0UOU0gNKeC3e+W6v4magM3/oQcR+VEKbRWb71x/ATe774yoZ7tdijX0 ZdSnsQHrhOmMp9x1boa8KMKcKet8g6+iOxhszvMqX1SohMbByEl7HKYQ8OchlYG3+hgFFT qxVsgKmKKAq5+KKznuZyZyL+fsFfhWg0yvOSyh6NC9k7yLCyufWEIWtLN98wfk/2tH/UWz MzlX0qQbplSfhpLbBGBswyY8AJIiqRYa0SGIZAq7MHBdtQRKy37iGmpYoX8be8lwABvToc 7eweHL3/x0pSAvxC86FUXEbX6uQ4coW7+qbZ58Qw55lBZP21s63z12uDklHNoQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621501335; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=I6dWS84r9IJWR0zrPlyFERxJAFVVKst1IMgpgjg4LAxZlaFgDVtRBVfOqxLASCVEoiioCy JkQI39iTBSW6AOMEH9CO9ebPwldZPiMj96F2R28SOEOx2Z8BzpnDRf8+Yva8m39abs/kjO xVrr3bQyae8TclrnZo4ooFVAu+CRrdiQ4Ba/GZtcgXaP39YEDi7IUsP/1rF1cqR5ck1zND Rxbo2ZdJL9BRZxV/WwB6Hw0H/tNpn6Dqa/YUUd7EPYyASn6P2jd1ymJNZkWtEHNoUpgJB2 XNwUjOs5433ztH+OjmR3fS+6FOoN8BXJEnTdR9Ne1SeSxt+dn5g7laFXid452w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=jknc6eEW; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.64 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=jknc6eEW; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 41AD81CE0D X-Spam-Score: -2.64 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: tYP9mqcGD9U+ Bone Baboon writes: > # IRC alternatives / compliments > > Some criteria that I have come up with are: > * Free software > * Can be used without a graphical user interface as many GPUs are not > compatible with Linux-libre and can not run Xorg or Wayland window > managers / desktops. > * Peer to peer as a way to avoid the issue of a centralized > administrator changing their administration in undesirable ways. One more criteria. Is an Emacs client available. Inspired by . > Some alternatives that come to mind that would need further > investigation include the following. I do not know if any of these meet > all the criteria I mention above. > > * Scuttlebutt > ** https://scuttlebutt.nz/ > ** Is there a client that works without a graphical environment? > > * DAT > ** Are there messaging application for DAT? > ** https://www.datprotocol.com/ > > * IPFS > ** Are there messaging application for IPFS? > ** https://ipfs.io/ > > * Jami > ** https://jami.net/ > ** Swarms specifically > *** https://jami.net/swarm-introducing-a-new-generation-of-group-conversations/ > *** Swarms are fully distributed and peer-to-peer text conversations, > with a potentially unlimited number of participants. > ** on Freenode #jami said: > "https://github.com/AmarOk1412/jami-cli/ no video/audio support but > support swarm" > > * RetroShare > ** http://retroshare.cc/ > ** Is there a client that works without a graphical environment? Here is what I have discovered after some further preliminary exploration. I have added XMPP and Tox. ## Scuttlebutt * Free libre - yes * Peer to peer - yes * Non graphical client - yes ** scat ** scatzero ** scuttle-chat * IRC capabilities - ? * Emacs client - no ## DAT * Free libre - yes * Peer to peer - yes * Non graphical client - yes ** cabal-cli * IRC capabilities - yes ** * Emacs client - no ## IPFS * Free libre - yes * Peer to peer - yes * Non graphical client - prototype ** orbit-textui *** prototype * IRC capabilities - ? * Emacs client - no ## Jami * Free libre - yes * Peer to peer - yes * Non graphical client - yes ** jami-cli * IRC capabilities - not yet ** Swarm requires more optimizations before pubic channels are added. ** Currently jami-cli has been tested for group of 5 (jami-cli's developer devices). ** A group is invite only currently. * Emacs client - no ## RetroShare * Free libre - yes * Peer to peer - yes * Non graphical client - no * IRC capabilities - yes * Emacs client - no ## XMPP * Free libre - yes * Peer to peer - no ** federated servers * Non graphical client - yes ** Mcabber ** Poezio ** Profanity ** Aparte * IRC capabilities - yes * Emacs client - yes ** jabber.el ## Tox * Free libre - yes * Peer to peer - yes * Non graphical client - yes ** Toxic * IRC capabilities - not currently ** Would get IRC capabilities if this gets added * Emacs client - no