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(I could do it on your behalf, > but it sounds more logical to let you handle it.) Yep, I'll try to do it soon. > > Also, could you (or Xinglu, or Oleg) write a blog post for guix.gnu.org, > targeting an audience who=E2=80=99s not familiar with this kind of tool, = making > it clear what the rationale is and what it can bring to =E2=80=9Cnormal u= sers=E2=80=9D? > It would be really helpful to have that published within a couple of > weeks or so, before the next release. I have a blog post task in my backlog, I want to upstream more home services before publishing the post. It's not a blocker, but a nice thing to have. There is another ongoing work, which I would like to finish before making a post. Another option is to publish this post some time after 1.4.0 release, so everything I want will be finished to that moment. I don't see reasons to hurry, so it's a viable alternative too. > > Last, it=E2=80=99d be great to see the three of you (and more people!) ba= ck in > action regarding Guix Home. I understand that life sometimes gets in > the way, but it seems that there=E2=80=99s been some confusion as to how = to go > forward=E2=80=94e.g., =E2=80=94which= may partly > explain why things stalled. If there are patches waiting for review, > also don=E2=80=99t hesitate to ping! I burnt out a little during upstreaming process, it was quite slow and painful at the beginning and increased maintanance burden of rde for me. A little too early merge + uncoordinated changes of basic primitives and service configurations also hit me quite hard and forced to spend some time bringing rde back to working state without going a step further. I took a break and after that started to cleanup small Guix Home issues, develop/improve home services in rde repo and finally started to work on new rde features. Still feel a little burnt out and I try not to do worse. Now to more technical details: When I started to work on Guix Home I explored different system services configurations and tried to extract some common patterns, it was relatively hard, cause of implementation inconsistencies. I wrote notes, extracted most common patterns and come with some approach for writing service configurations. During development of Guix Home it was slightly changed, but most of the home service implementations are consistent. gexp -> file-like change done in Guix repo for shell service configurations and text-config type partially breaks the ideas I have about how services should be implemented. To continue upstreaming home services from rde to Guix I would like and actually need to have an established style guide on how to write service configurations to make sure service implementations are consistent. I started to write a manual section, which we can collectively review, discuss and adjust it to get such a style guide. Cause of burn out and a lot of unrewarding monkey work I've done recently it's a little hard to focus on this task, but I'll try to send first drafts to mailing list soon. So there is some work happening, but maybe not so visible. Sorry for being not very active on ML recently, hope after core-updates merged now you have a little more free time, so we can faster reach the agreement on service implementation style guide and more people will be able to contribute high quality services for both Guix System and Guix Home. =2D-=20 Best regards, Andrew Tropin --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJDBAEBCgAtFiEEKEGaxlA4dEDH6S/6IgjSCVjB3rAFAmG7XokPHGFuZHJld0B0 cm9wLmluAAoJECII0glYwd6wra0P/ikgDTWenxP1qjtrkamZlM7gpwhJeyFmYssA 25qyig9Yd5W/TATwEgH2nnjvsV1OHdl8yQRmo93gCkpaC8W0nw8VuUzKK8t5gaex v1bz5yE2++aIc+sCVgpqLy8+Uzqv6wN5i/sux6ybgB0v1TKivuhL6CMOBLD91nsP YttcZVghpgaq7hY4p/Hjt41tekKXPCy1+TFSdVEqudNg9X1tdRSgbnDk6E+5jmJs YYK9PbjRaUkc9sseXoT9XLuKuOkCkp1Jlh3KGdYqRwFjz5r8Js9DayhC0ENJ6Yro WZN8u/ra5ExUt9/HyNAN6EnrZRe0tk/n0UJ+Nzt0ldPBhchzcB5tjWaLIV5WafH/ zi+AKbTrynEMMXEbD3gS8d8p3JFFuYbUp7OnrcyNIQIX7Neg8PuDTGZyMh2X/TEX 36uqOEwI0cDuc3HXcGYcuimGvidgyukBg0xIVY/yCaZQIBLZG6/H6FJl3y/ISNyN Vuowb7XYbySLyIIpGx/QnucDehzJhgOwNN75RSDgAdAFcNlL568DACmeVFdYg6Ct i+D1HaYK6d2PY+fLkUTNtyemLx0Pcap6rZYrvMvzAPv/E43mCZxBkx9atlSiioq/ HXfdp2BpgrQ/gMGiuaQNgQXbHVJHCJRJ4SBz98A0E5XSmrfl7Na8NjUjXOm+kuXF oQEfk+xh =Wp1a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--