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" > "Falling back to executing the default config using `(exwm-c= onfig-default)'") > (message "executing the elisp found at \"~/.exwm\"") > b ) while still keeping the explicit messages, creating the ~/.exwm file = when it doesn't exist populated with guix's choice of default settings (so = that the user can read and tweak his config) > > Because the message thrown by the snippet bellow is not enough at all. >=20=20=20 > > (cond ((file-exists-p "~/.exwm") (load-file "~/.exwm")) > ((not (featurep (quote exwm))) > (require (quote exwm)) > (require (quote exwm-config)) > (exwm-config-default) > (message (concat "exwm configuration not found. " > "Falling back to default configuration...")))) > I feel you (been there, felt that). I tried, without success, to raise awareness about the issue (perhaps in the archived thread you mention). Sadly, no one agreed or tried to prove me wrong. I wrote a very simple and sane EXWM package definition, and you can find it here: https://git.sr.ht/~aadcg/aadcg-guix-channel/tree/master/item/packages/aadcg= -emacs-xyz.scm#L147 I could send it as a patch, but without interest from the developers/maintainers it makes little sense. --=20 Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"