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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1652105520; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=g3HWj+oZK07BrixWH5khho5n/LN9OQULFjpIM8Rxjz8=; b=kjbLfDAwx+AQKvF8zThL6QFJz+Gwt2nwMB1bxVMB5oqeK8xM7K0QL73TQde15YDIXYem80 l/oPpNz6b26UDlC4q2bSCeZLGvi00oDHHBtNWrGW7GZ/0DJdwXQJQpTwXHma+8c2Feyosw 08eWGZIu9fj4G2tAfVeT7AqXXi6TTDFd64lkNB9D+7HGjSe/w8PjvruN5Nkn84QD1FFBWh 7XHG8igbjZhbKf3+67J7eRRJ0Xjm8sFgVQM6Y/uRCyudXw8kiG09sFbJu47DH8BMvmH7eO FM4x1Po3S4qZCPYt2hvPF+YE/c0hPwQxMlSt6JhPrzn7c7kn+t26++e7RBETBw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1652105520; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Mw3zRBq9MCZN+Mrtn/pRz3S8PAhkWcyWXaeR9r50drs0Gq+OUp2GurApBsI5PxE7iefr/q BuBzLl/HFPjq9dEA8Y/xEY9+KJHY4Zr4EHS7OuWHJs3+fZIyI5adj3Jgh183glWjzSY0cU GqzZlJiBCpNaqSb/Ghjs0cJ2I1a0diiCMdSFFrYzrywVMGEDNRSbfwAN0z3GWjgU0DI9IJ 3eA3wmeSMytvOghz3yxmJjZE1JqmeUBFCDDg3zF1yw0GBtL9zjYRuxyjmYUkj2oFgfQu8U Pozt7J+gKwR6fSPcv4h4pRUmGqZL/cM5V1Xr7381vGIIWDjFqhLCTl99+JArmw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=FK812k8G; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=libre.brussels; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.00 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=FK812k8G; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=libre.brussels; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6A2111ECC1 X-Spam-Score: -4.00 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 1sYO4QhEH0/u Larry Doolittle writes: > Ludovic and friends - > > On Sun, May 08, 2022 at 12:34:47AM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >> Jan Nieuwenhuizen skribis: >> > Mes has now been ported to M2-Planet and can be bootstrapped using >> > stage0-posix[0], starting from the 357-byte hex0 binary of the >> > bootstrap-seeds[1], as was promised at FOSDEM'21[2]. >> This is amazing=E2=80=A6 congrats to you & everyone involved! You made = it! :-) > > +1 > >> The common objection is: =E2=80=9Cyou=E2=80=99re building from source bu= t you=E2=80=99re not >> gonna audit all that source code anyway, so why bother?=E2=80=9D [...] >> Supply chain security is a spectrum and I think this achievement changes >> what we can expect and demand. > > I've had this conversation before, any my analogy is to the > three legs of a stool. Bootstrapped toolchains, reproducible builds, > and source-code audits. Each one is arguably useless without the others, > but taken together, you've actually accomplished something meaningful. > Maybe I should also include "cryptographically signed artifact distributi= on" > on that list. > > - Larry With works this sturdy then even two tool domains suffice as a fine and versatile stepladder... Great job everybody! - Jonathan