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[66.158.141.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g19-20020ae9e113000000b006ce3cffa2c8sm11102371qkm.43.2022.10.22.07.08.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 22 Oct 2022 07:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Packages depending on (guix build syscalls) References: <87edv1a8zc.fsf@inria.fr> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 10:08:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87edv1a8zc.fsf@inria.fr> ("Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s=22?= =?utf-8?Q?'s?= message of "Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:15:03 +0200") Message-ID: <87r0z0t0go.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::829; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-x829.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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As a result, all these > packages get rebuilt every time we change it. > > Maybe the only recommendation I would have is that we should make sure > we really need it before having a package deep down the graph depend on > it. I wouldn=E2=80=99t want us to do =E2=80=98staging=E2=80=99 cycles wh= en we need a change in > (guix build syscalls). As mentioned by others, I think merging more general purpose things from Guix to Guile would be the best way forward. Every time I write a simple Guile script, I reach to Guix utils for simple things, which ought to be in Guile proper. Alternatively, there's at least 4 packages depending on (guix build syscalls) for working around a bug where dead processes are not reaped by PID1 in the Guix build container, causing some test suites to fail [0]. If we were to fix it, we could remove these workarounds. [0] https://issues.guix.gnu.org/30948 --=20 Thanks, Maxim