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I=E2=80=99d like to release the Shepherd 0.10.0 in a few weeks at most, wit= h the hope that it=E2=80=99ll be the last stable series before 1.0, which would be released in a few months. As part of this, I=E2=80=99d like to clean up the API, which includes remov= ing the dependency on GOOPS. The Shepherd had been using GOOPS from the start but for no particular reason: there=E2=80=99s no inheritance and only= a couple of cases of method overloading. I started that work, which mostly involves renaming things like accessors following typical Scheme conventions: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/shepherd.git/log/?h=3Dwip-goopsless I imagine the following deprecation scenario: =E2=80=A2 0.10.x would still support GOOPS, as in (make =E2=80= =A6), but that would be deprecated in favor of a more Schemey (service =E2=80=A6) form. Under the hood it=E2=80=99s still GOOPS. =E2=80=A2 1.0.x would no longer use GOOPS at all. We could provide a =E2= =80=98make=E2=80=99 macro so that (make =E2=80=A6) would still kinda work. What=E2=80=99s at stake, mostly, is the ability to reconfigure a long-runni= ng shepherd instance. Once 1.0.x is in Guix, =E2=80=98guix system reconfigure= =E2=80=99 will most likely fail to upgrade services on a pre-0.10.x shepherd: users will have to reboot. Thoughts? Ludo=E2=80=99.