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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.56 X-Spam-Score: -6.56 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2E07221E5D X-TUID: CZgf8lvV5j2Q Hello, Ian Eure skribis: > HuggingFace and the StarCoder2 model is in violation of principle 2. > By their own admission, they are including code without clear > licensing[1]: [...] > HuggingFace is also in violation of the third principle, because they > haven=E2=80=99t established a functioning opt-out model[3]. Opting out > requires using non-free software; requests have been sitting for > nearly a year with no action or response; and out of every request > submitted, only a single one has *ever* been honored. > > They appear to be violating free software licenses on large > scale. They are in violation of SWH=E2=80=99s own positions. You may be right, but again, I think we should all wait for SWH folks to weigh in. Many people working there are long-time free software activists; I think we can trust them to take our concerns into consideration, but they may also need more time to reply thoughtfully. Besides, we should probably focus the discussion on what it means for Guix. Ludo=E2=80=99.