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From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
To: Steve George <steve@futurile.net>
Cc: Ekaitz Zarraga <ekaitz@elenq.tech>,
	 "guix-devel@gnu.org" <guix-devel@gnu.org>,
	 Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>,
	 Tanguy Le Carrour <tanguy@bioneland.org>
Subject: Re: Discussion on Guix funding // future
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:13:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r084mlcv.fsf@elephly.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4rvi67kmuao4qlice5odnfmsgnfygfmaxjok4xcyki77kqiref@nyel3oupgtid> (Steve George's message of "Fri, 25 Oct 2024 12:06:19 +0100")

Steve George <steve@futurile.net> writes:

> On 25 Oct, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>> Steve George <steve@futurile.net> writes:
>> 
>> > One concern with supporting developers is whether it demotivates them
>> > in the long-term: from intrinsic to extrinisic motivation. Basically,
>> > the answer is that pay doesn't motivate but it does 'enable' for
>> > committed contributors: the Linux foundation survey shows this,
>> > there's also various academic pieces on FOSS motivation.
>> 
>> Paying some people also has the potential of eroding motivation for
>> those who are not paid.
> (...)
>
> Yes, I've heard this concern both in other FOSS communities and in Guix.
>
> I actually haven't see any evidence that this is the case. Maybe you have?

I have not personally observed this in communities like ours, but I'm
not particularly perceptive and more importantly lack experience with
other communities resembling ours, so this isn't saying much.

I only know of studies of traditional "workplace" environments
(for-profit and non-profit), where wage equity and a perception of
fairness in terms of co-worker wages have a much stronger impact on
employee satisfaction and extrinsic motivation than the absolute value
of remuneration.  A stronger preference for perceived fairness with
respect to peer wages has been observed in non-profits where the level
and importance of intrinsic motivation is assumed to be higher than in
for-profit environments.

It is not clear whether these findings are applicable to our loose
organizational structure, but I found it worth mentioning.

> If there were more developers
> able to sustain their efforts on Guix, I'd personally be happy for
> them.

I would, too.

-- 
Ricardo


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-25 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-24 22:08 Discussion on Guix funding // future Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-25  8:12 ` Steve George
2024-10-25  9:11   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2024-10-25  9:16     ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-25  9:37       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2024-10-25 11:05         ` indieterminacy
2024-10-25 11:22           ` Steve George
2024-10-25 11:51             ` indieterminacy
2024-10-25 12:05         ` Efraim Flashner
2024-10-26 17:16         ` Tomas Volf
2024-10-25 11:06     ` Steve George
2024-10-25 12:13       ` Ricardo Wurmus [this message]
2024-10-25 12:18     ` Efraim Flashner
2024-10-25 15:49       ` Steve George
2024-10-25 12:58 ` Thompson, David
2024-10-25 14:31   ` Christopher Howard
2024-10-26  6:57     ` Steve George
2024-10-25 19:13   ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-25 23:25     ` Attila Lendvai
2024-10-26 12:49       ` Greg Hogan
2024-10-26 13:48   ` Guix (and Guile's) promise, and how to (hopefully) get there Christine Lemmer-Webber
2024-10-26 14:49     ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-26 20:22       ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-10-27  0:38         ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-10-26 16:40     ` Suhail Singh
2024-10-26 22:07       ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-10-27  1:33         ` Suhail Singh
2024-10-26 22:28       ` indieterminacy
2024-10-26 21:12     ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-10-26 15:04 ` Discussion on Guix funding // future Ludovic Courtès
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-10-25 14:21 Noé Lopez via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-10-25 21:26 ` Greg Hogan

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