From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nils Gillmann Subject: Re: MAME emulator is giving incentive to use non-free software Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:46:58 +0200 Message-ID: <87poude3z1.fsf@grrlz.net> References: <20160329140142.GA19492@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akvD5-0006lM-SP for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 11:05:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akvD1-00052V-Fl for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 11:05:35 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:36192) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akvD1-00051L-9Z for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 11:05:31 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1akv0l-0002Ac-7p for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:52:51 +0200 Received: from x5d83efcf.dyn.telefonica.de ([93.131.239.207]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:52:51 +0200 Received: from niasterisk by x5d83efcf.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:52:51 +0200 List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: guix-devel@gnu.org Jean Louis writes: > Hello Nils, > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 02:41:54PM +0200, Nils Gillmann wrote: >> If we drop it, there will be very likely inofficial repositories >> carrying it, like there are now for custom packaged non-free >> software. And those people will end up coming to our chat and >> lists, and we have to deal with it somehow in distancing us very >> clearly from third party packages (if not already done so). > > That is because basic guidlines of GuixSD are missing. I disagree, we have guidelines: https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/html_node/Packaging-Guidelines.html I said there will be inofficial repositories, because that's what already is the case for for example bio info software, or private collections of packages, things which will never be merged into guix master because of licensing issues. For example Gentoo has so called overlays, official ones and inofficial ones. If I remember corrently, they distance themselves from any non-portage software very strongly and for project oriented official overlays the projects (like KDE-project of gentoo) have their freedom to point out if and where they can get suppport. You can't prevent packages being written and made available somewhere out of the project. That's the only thing I meant to say, nothing else. > And people surely > come for the convenience but miss to understand what it means to > distribute free software. > > I am now more aware of that. There is absolutely no legal background in > accepting packages for distribution, which means developers lack > understanding of it. > > It is not possible to be a programmer and attorney in the same > time. > Qualified people, probably from FSF, shall assist in solving > trademark issues, as there is no point giving links if those who make > software packages, and those who accept it, do not have a process of > legal approval. > > For example, I guess there is absolutely no point in reading this text > here over Nintendo® trademarks: > https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#emulator because those who > accept packages they simply think it is alright to do what they do, and > their opinions and knowledge lack any clues of trademark laws. > > Jean Lous > > -- ng personal contact: http://krosos.sdf.org EDN: https://wiki.c3d2.de/EDN