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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619880368; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=UkdSKY6KkUBveOtJ0vJBuD5HmofmD8XU0gZ9Hl2labo=; b=uHjEsijrUBuDKG8yTEO8LkTQFjJASabNk7wkxnFo0PtS2kHQ/Oii8hLraPadqB0UYNr9X6 2eLOfapS+bEP7Da4JlUxR4+elhugSmrozGBgjgtn5O444itLcrByzT6JzTT29rHq5NLbs7 Y/3riRqRQWhTjNu6SszrsY8T/tju0Wwzbj32w4LkLG4ZzaRmNNCFzPCdKWWTBXE2D6KxBJ CBFy3s88Wb3DB5JdXn89Qx1w/vwx9Ln6PFwIb5IdxlS1M60nFDTN6xDECU7qqAPNnqZfoV VnotlZA42wTTANyZFLa4AXLiUhO7xFYxmB8kTDLNGKdRjKYCWMPzfWmcySUTxw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619880368; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EvyAOuq80NyREpxOV77zkzD5EGiTJ8cjvxyc78my2+DRq/cQrEkXoKBKPZVebLjLDTPIbs J+XBOixTtGiTQvz+yGi7sj87lRtSxbgd3xzmiqaK2ACU3/URoMDvewqEz/CrzpkBi3uwCV GETte0U28isIYevOphcj9q/Vy1Y0AuA/ScZ0oWv2Cz0p/1Xr2rWCi/JEEsNSD77lnFkRrF kAgokHH6CowCfYGTE9nIo/vOsITdQr+qwYR8g8N4ouEYVPFSyneM0yCCo26Tz5xba055AO +xoxhzuYgLajajzuhD+xFZL2aWIIXM6inJCn5tmeW7vdLDrlqPhr1nzB4ljhmg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=uO6KQXwN; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.16 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=uO6KQXwN; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 26CFE13721 X-Spam-Score: -3.16 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: mpH1cfYoPKXN Tobias Geerinckx-Rice writes: > L=C3=A9o, > > Leo Le Bouter =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >> I feel like what has happened is really a disaster, > > I'm relieved that we share, at least, this. I think everyone does. > >> I don't feel like contributing to GNU Guix anymore in the future. > > That's a great pity. I hope to welcome you back some day. Guix is > better off with your fixes. > > Yet I'm convinced that the decision to suspend commit access was the > right one. It wasn't easy. Nobody was happy about it. May I humbly suggest, that in the future if guix maintainers/developers/super-humans suspend someone's commit access, this "punishment"/"education" happens privately? Perhaps this "education" should not be announced on guix-devel. Instead it should only be sent privately to the developer in question. Perhaps that would lessen the sting. Thanks! Joshua P.S. I'm definitely NOT a guix developer (maybe some day), but I hope it's ok that I share my thoughts. :) -- Joshua Branson (joshuaBPMan in #guix) Sent from Emacs and Gnus https://gnucode.me https://video.hardlimit.com/accounts/joshua_branson/video-channels https://propernaming.org "You can have whatever you want, as long as you help enough other people get what they want." - Zig Ziglar